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07-20-2014, 05:16 AM
So any other thoughts on the Grey Nomad?
1985 JAGUAR XJS H.E. in PELICAN WATERS QLD FOR SALE - Autotrader.com.au
we havent really talked about this fellow much yet.
1985 JAGUAR XJS H.E. in PELICAN WATERS QLD FOR SALE - Autotrader.com.au
we havent really talked about this fellow much yet.
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07-20-2014, 05:32 AM
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Thanks for the advice OG.
Yeah Jade green seems ok but yeah that bloody spoiler!
Mellow Yellow is starting to warm on me greatly (especially now it is HE) however the new contender from South Australia (car name pending) has got me excited too.
Agreed I will give whitey the flick!
Yeah Jade green seems ok but yeah that bloody spoiler!
Mellow Yellow is starting to warm on me greatly (especially now it is HE) however the new contender from South Australia (car name pending) has got me excited too.
Agreed I will give whitey the flick!
Hi Rex,
Thanks for the reply, I will hold off for now . As I said the interested buyer is in China for work at the moment.
I have passed on your reply about HE,will get back to you later.
Regards, Clarke
Thanks for the reply, I will hold off for now . As I said the interested buyer is in China for work at the moment.
I have passed on your reply about HE,will get back to you later.
Regards, Clarke
Grant probably left it their when he serviced it(lol).
we havent really talked about this fellow much yet.
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07-20-2014, 05:40 AM
Agreed to all of above too. Mellow Yellow is a sweet looking car in the flesh(for original paint)
The SA one is contender for sure. It even comes with a free stubby cooler in the left door pocket!
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Grant probably left it their when he serviced it(lol).
The SA one is contender for sure. It even comes with a free stubby cooler in the left door pocket!
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Grant probably left it their when he serviced it(lol).
I have to go there this week, as the Peugeot 504 Diesel is hissy again, the Triumph 2000 has an oil leak, the '64 Beetle needs spark plugs, the Riley needs a cane, and the Whippet needs "God knows what" as usual. The only other car at that storage facility that Trevor owns is the XJ-S, and it is sooooo sweet, starts on command, and only stops when turned off, British Engineering at its very best.
I will write a post as you asked to answer the questions re the cars you are looking at for Paul.
Some of the things I have read concern me a tad.
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07-20-2014, 05:58 AM
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07-20-2014, 06:54 AM
From now on the SA car will be known as "Deep Blue" lol!
BTW what is the paint used on this one? (think i recall a color chart back in the main xjs forum)
Oh and also just curious if anybody knows about my earlier question about the HE badge. As OG pointed out after 81 they were HE's but yet Fern Green has the HE badge on the bonnet (on the right side of the license plate) however Deep Blue has the V12 badge. Just curious. Maybe I am a little OCD also !
BTW what is the paint used on this one? (think i recall a color chart back in the main xjs forum)
Oh and also just curious if anybody knows about my earlier question about the HE badge. As OG pointed out after 81 they were HE's but yet Fern Green has the HE badge on the bonnet (on the right side of the license plate) however Deep Blue has the V12 badge. Just curious. Maybe I am a little OCD also !
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07-20-2014, 07:30 AM
I have done and attached a Word Doc with my thoughts. If there is something else, PLEASE ask, I dont bite.
The PreHE is a cautious buy in my opinion.
Look carefully at these cars, PLEASE.
The PreHE is ALL V12's up to "about" 1982ish. After that is the HE. The Marelli cars came for 1989MY, and have their own issues. 1992ish saw the 6ltr, and a whole NEW car.
A PreHE that has been HE'd is a careful consideration at best. The upgrade is HUGE, and if done properly is OK.
Seat covers always worry me. Too much to hide, and that hiding is BIG$.
Read the Doco, and as I said ASK away.
Buying an XJ.doc
The PreHE is a cautious buy in my opinion.
Look carefully at these cars, PLEASE.
The PreHE is ALL V12's up to "about" 1982ish. After that is the HE. The Marelli cars came for 1989MY, and have their own issues. 1992ish saw the 6ltr, and a whole NEW car.
A PreHE that has been HE'd is a careful consideration at best. The upgrade is HUGE, and if done properly is OK.
Seat covers always worry me. Too much to hide, and that hiding is BIG$.
Read the Doco, and as I said ASK away.
Buying an XJ.doc
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I have done and attached a Word Doc with my thoughts. If there is something else, PLEASE ask, I dont bite.
Attachment 91106
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And Paul,as Grant said he doesn't bite so ask him all the questions you need to and don't be to afraid to PM him at any time.
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07-20-2014, 07:42 AM
The HE versus the V12 is NOT clear.
I was the Parts Manager for Jaguar a long time back, and we concluded that the factory put whatever it had on hand at the time in that position. Hence the continual swapping of ID names.
My 1985 Coupe had the HE badge, and it is only a few chassis numbers up from the Blue Goose.
That explanation worked for us at the time, and the drinking continued very soon after that monumental finding.
I dont know the "proper" name for that Blue. It is metalic, and some say Westminster Blue??.
I was the Parts Manager for Jaguar a long time back, and we concluded that the factory put whatever it had on hand at the time in that position. Hence the continual swapping of ID names.
My 1985 Coupe had the HE badge, and it is only a few chassis numbers up from the Blue Goose.
That explanation worked for us at the time, and the drinking continued very soon after that monumental finding.
I dont know the "proper" name for that Blue. It is metalic, and some say Westminster Blue??.
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Points to look for on an XJS. My views are as follows:
Greg
- The early to late-mid 1980s, non ABS, non-catalyst models with Lucas ignition are the easiest to work on and the simplest to maintain.
- any model of this age, unless maintained by an enthusiastic expert will require substantial mechanical work to function as designed and to be reliable
- there is nothing an enthusiastic owner who (a) has a garage to work in, (b) likes mechanical work, (c) is prepared to buy decent tools and work patiently and methodically, and take the trouble to understand before tearing it apart, cannot do on these cars
- the better the car to start with the cheaper the ownership will be
- it will take a few years of patient work before the car is truly reliable
- be prepared for a budget for parts of about 1000 UKP per year while you get it up to snuff. be prepeared to renew all calipers and flexibles, water hoses, suspension rubbers, power steering hoses, etc etc.
- lots of people disagree with me, but IMO buying second hand mechanical and electrical parts for these cars is a false economy if you want a reliable vehicle
- you will have to renew under bonnet looms and connectors, whatever they look like if they have never been renewed
- ditto the fuel lines and tank will need renewing and the tank sealing if this has never been done
- XJSs of this age will leak oil from the cam covers and the sump if these have never been attended to. Again can be fixed but it is a reasonably major job to do so (think 4 days in the garage with a mate to help at crucial moments. Oil leaks are more of an aesthetic problem than a danger from the reliability point of view.
- BODYWORK: this is the XJSs really weak area. Check floorpans under the carpets, check the rear wheelarches and the body at the forward end of the rear wheelarch where the suspension forward facing radius arm attaches to the body. Check sills each end. serious rust on rear wheelarches themselves is a major bodywork job for an expert bodyshop, remove wwheels and check very carefully with a sharp object. Front wings unbolt and are easy to change and second hand ones are easily available (in the UK at least). Front upper and lower chassis rails and front inner wings where the shock absorber reinforcers attach must be very carefully checked. The front upper chassis rail (until the wings are off) can only be seen from the wheelarch as a square tube running along the inner wheelarch/wing 90° join. Poke this very hard. Lower chassis rails can be seen from below the car and also by removing the air boxes from the intakes. Rust bubbles around the base of the windscreen are potentially a major job, requiring screen out and front wings off to see the full extent of the problem. Check VERY carefully that the door hinges are solidly attached to the A pillar, this pillar can literally disappear. Any other rust on unboltable bits (eg boot lid, doors, bonnet) will be treatable or such items are relatively easily replaced;
- AIRCON: if the aircon is not working 100% properly (and if it is you will be COLD on a low temp setting) means expense and possibly major work. To renew the compressor, condensor, expansion valve, dryer and pipes will set you back 600 UKP at least. If there is a problem in the dash unit electronic parts are NLA and a leak is a dash out job which is a VERY big job - though quite doable for the owner with the above listed necessary characteristics!
Greg
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#72
07-20-2014, 08:26 AM
Wow thanks Clarke, Greg and Grant. Very good info. Ha ha you guys are giving me the answers before i can even think of the questions! i really appreciate that.
That word doco had some real handy hints. So Grant you used to work for Jaguar for a while back in the day?
How does Deep Blue hold up in regards to Rust Grant?
And, rust in general for an XJS of around that era: I know alot of you guys have pointed out some areas to be wary of, but is a little rust acceptable and expected? Could I expect 0% rust?
Thoughts?
That word doco had some real handy hints. So Grant you used to work for Jaguar for a while back in the day?
How does Deep Blue hold up in regards to Rust Grant?
And, rust in general for an XJS of around that era: I know alot of you guys have pointed out some areas to be wary of, but is a little rust acceptable and expected? Could I expect 0% rust?
Thoughts?
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07-20-2014, 08:55 AM
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So any other thoughts on the Grey Nomad?
1985 JAGUAR XJS H.E. in PELICAN WATERS QLD FOR SALE - Autotrader.com.au
we havent really talked about this fellow much yet.
1985 JAGUAR XJS H.E. in PELICAN WATERS QLD FOR SALE - Autotrader.com.au
we havent really talked about this fellow much yet.
Grey is a really bad Colour for showing water marks, after its been washed, so the need to leather it off it pretty essential.
Along with the White one, I would give this one a miss but then again you need to look at it.
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07-20-2014, 09:10 AM
Wow thanks Clarke, Greg and Grant. Very good info. Ha ha you guys are giving me the answers before i can even think of the questions! i really appreciate that.
That word doco had some real handy hints. So Grant you used to work for Jaguar for a while back in the day?
How does Deep Blue hold up in regards to Rust Grant?
And, rust in general for an XJS of around that era: I know alot of you guys have pointed out some areas to be wary of, but is a little rust acceptable and expected? Could I expect 0% rust?
Thoughts?
That word doco had some real handy hints. So Grant you used to work for Jaguar for a while back in the day?
How does Deep Blue hold up in regards to Rust Grant?
And, rust in general for an XJS of around that era: I know alot of you guys have pointed out some areas to be wary of, but is a little rust acceptable and expected? Could I expect 0% rust?
Thoughts?
The PreHE cars seemed to have more rust concerns than the HE cars. Obviously there is an exception to every comment, and I have seen some very sad HE cars, and equally GOOD PreHE cars, so it is a matter of what is in front of you at the time. A rusted car that has been SORTED really well is fine, but usually that "really well" has some flaws somewhere.
Yes, Parts Manager for the mob. Retired from that in 2003. Still in the Parts Industry (been in that industry 50 years in MArch 2014), albeit casual/part time at the moment. My battered bones keep wanting me to retire again, but down here good Parts People are impossible to find except in my age group, so the phone calls keep coming.
In realistic terms 0% rust is only theoretical. I reckon if I looked in some really bizarre places, my S Types would have some somewhere.
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07-20-2014, 09:24 AM
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07-20-2014, 09:34 AM
So the Blue Goose is practically rust free? Thats great. The first and only XJS I have looked at, just before i left for work had a fair amount of rust i could find and im only a beginner! I think i mentioned it early on in the thread. That was Whitey, the 6 cylinder manual.
Ok so wow, thats cool. Im glad to hear that. Sounds like she is in good shape.a
So Grant, has she had any modifications added (just had to ask) or is she pretty much original? Delivevered and driven in Oz since 85?
I noticed she has a leaper and not the growler. I guess it was added on by the owner? Does he still retain the growler badge?
if she is a goer, then Im just weighing up the coast of Flying the Goose to QLD. Pun intended!
As far as being looked after she sounds on par with Mellow Yellow and i would say maybe even better? Guys what do you think?
Yeah, think i will look over at the Grey Nomad anyways, its only close to home. Doesnt sound as promising though.
Ok so wow, thats cool. Im glad to hear that. Sounds like she is in good shape.a
So Grant, has she had any modifications added (just had to ask) or is she pretty much original? Delivevered and driven in Oz since 85?
I noticed she has a leaper and not the growler. I guess it was added on by the owner? Does he still retain the growler badge?
if she is a goer, then Im just weighing up the coast of Flying the Goose to QLD. Pun intended!
As far as being looked after she sounds on par with Mellow Yellow and i would say maybe even better? Guys what do you think?
Yeah, think i will look over at the Grey Nomad anyways, its only close to home. Doesnt sound as promising though.
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07-20-2014, 05:07 PM
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heh guys
just found this XJS up the road from my house:
1985 JAGUAR XJS H.E. in PELICAN WATERS QLD FOR SALE - Autotrader.com.au
The 1985 seems a pretty popular year.
Im a potential buyer at the moment but i am still learning.
what do you guys think this looks like on paper? Of course the only way to really know is to take a look.
Just be interested in you more experienced guys opinions
cheers
just found this XJS up the road from my house:
1985 JAGUAR XJS H.E. in PELICAN WATERS QLD FOR SALE - Autotrader.com.au
The 1985 seems a pretty popular year.
Im a potential buyer at the moment but i am still learning.
what do you guys think this looks like on paper? Of course the only way to really know is to take a look.
Just be interested in you more experienced guys opinions
cheers
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=xj...l%3B1600%3B904
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07-20-2014, 06:45 PM
Heh guys
another contender. (Cheers OG) Have a look at this Blue Meanie:
http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/...5308&silo=1011
She's a little pricey. Budgeting for $15k max, there would be extra costs in travel etc, (its about 2000 + kms, 2 days by road) so would have to be able to talk down a fair bit. I think this one might be out of reach but anyway....thoughts?
another contender. (Cheers OG) Have a look at this Blue Meanie:
http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/...5308&silo=1011
She's a little pricey. Budgeting for $15k max, there would be extra costs in travel etc, (its about 2000 + kms, 2 days by road) so would have to be able to talk down a fair bit. I think this one might be out of reach but anyway....thoughts?
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