F-PACE class action
#61
05-20-2024, 10:25 AM
You can get boroscope cameras or ones that will Bluetooth to your phone on Amazon relatively cheaply) and go look for yourself. All you should have to do is take off the top engine cover. As in my case, there were telltale signs of pink crusty of dried out, coolant around the valley where the lower coolant outlet pipe also referred to his wipe pipe sits in the heads. I would also check the rear of each head where the heater coolant crossover pipe is situated and finally check around the water pump. If there are any signs of pink or orange crusty deposits, you have a leak. Recommend you do not wait to do it after your trip. If it fails, it’ll be a bloody nightmare.
#62
06-10-2024, 12:56 AM
f pace
my best advice would be to sell the f-pace asap. mine just caught fire due to coolant and burned to the ground before the fire dept came. about 90% of it. jaguar dealer told me its a known issue about the coolant but jaguar is too lazy and doesnt do anything. that couldve been my life if i didnt stop and got out fast enough.
#63
06-10-2024, 11:37 AM
Veteran Member
Assuming that your message is serious, the fact that you had a coolant leak is not directly connected to a fire. The fire must in some way be related to overheating….but was there no warning by a coolant smell? No steam from the engine? No dash light? (when the dash light comes on, the engine temperature is already at a critical point and the engine must be shut off immediately to prevent massive damage).
Plastic coolant pipes are used now by most automobile manufacturers as a matter both of cost and weight savings. This is not a “Jaguar thing”. Clearly metal is a far better and more reliable material, and aftermarket metal pipes are available for both the 3.0 and 5.0 supercharged engines, and as I have just learned, Jaguar has also made a set of metal pipes. Good!
We have a 2017 F-Pace with the 3.0 supercharged engine. Several months ago it suddenly had a leak from the plastic rear manifold pipe. Symptoms? Steam from the engine compartment, coolant level in the reservoir dropping. Solution? Replacing the
3 plastic pipes with metal versions. Happily, no fire (I still can’t put together a loss of coolant and a fire)….
Plastic coolant pipes are used now by most automobile manufacturers as a matter both of cost and weight savings. This is not a “Jaguar thing”. Clearly metal is a far better and more reliable material, and aftermarket metal pipes are available for both the 3.0 and 5.0 supercharged engines, and as I have just learned, Jaguar has also made a set of metal pipes. Good!
We have a 2017 F-Pace with the 3.0 supercharged engine. Several months ago it suddenly had a leak from the plastic rear manifold pipe. Symptoms? Steam from the engine compartment, coolant level in the reservoir dropping. Solution? Replacing the
3 plastic pipes with metal versions. Happily, no fire (I still can’t put together a loss of coolant and a fire)….
#64
06-10-2024, 08:07 PM
#65
06-11-2024, 01:06 PM
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Given mo24 joined today and that's his or her only post I am inclined to ignore. Lots of cars overheat. They don't catch fire and burn. Hard to believe it's a 'known issue' given how many Land Rover, Range Rover and Jaguar cars use these engines...
So I'll choose to ignore that post..
So I'll choose to ignore that post..
I did consider that this was likely a trolling message….
#66
06-13-2024, 08:41 PM
#67
06-25-2024, 12:22 PM
I recently posted about my December purchase of a 2017 F-Pace S with 125,000km and subsequent catastrophic failure after only a week due to overheating caused by the deterioration of plastic cross over pipes under the supercharger. The vehicle was purchased privately so no recourse there. Before purchasing though, I had the vehicle thoroughly checked out by a Jaguar dealer, who says these things can easily happen without being detected beforehand. They also indicated that since the vehicle is out of warranty Jaguar is not likely to do much if anything.
There was no real warning that this was happening until it was too late. The heat gauge went from reading narmal to overheated in about 2 seconds and then it was too late. The dealer has indicated that it's 99% likely the engine is done which would mean $20-$25k to replace the engine. Since this event occured I have learned that this is a common issue with this vehicle. Constant hot and cold causes these plactic pipes to expand and contract and eventually break (around the five year mark), which is unfortunately what happened to me. The heat guage not providing proper information is apparently a known issue as well on this vehicle.
It seems that manufacturers of high end vehicles are not being held accountable for building vehicles that are destined to have major failures just outside of the warranty period. This situation appears to be very common and known to Jaguar which brings me to the reason for this post. I realize I am stepping out on a limb here but I am asking F-Pace owners that have experienced anything like this to reply or if preferred, to direct message me if confidentiality is important. This would be specifically for North America but it would be important to hear from anyone, anywhere in the world that has experienced these things. At this point it is necessary to understand how widespread this may be in order to determine the best course of action.
Thank you for your participation. Peter
There was no real warning that this was happening until it was too late. The heat gauge went from reading narmal to overheated in about 2 seconds and then it was too late. The dealer has indicated that it's 99% likely the engine is done which would mean $20-$25k to replace the engine. Since this event occured I have learned that this is a common issue with this vehicle. Constant hot and cold causes these plactic pipes to expand and contract and eventually break (around the five year mark), which is unfortunately what happened to me. The heat guage not providing proper information is apparently a known issue as well on this vehicle.
It seems that manufacturers of high end vehicles are not being held accountable for building vehicles that are destined to have major failures just outside of the warranty period. This situation appears to be very common and known to Jaguar which brings me to the reason for this post. I realize I am stepping out on a limb here but I am asking F-Pace owners that have experienced anything like this to reply or if preferred, to direct message me if confidentiality is important. This would be specifically for North America but it would be important to hear from anyone, anywhere in the world that has experienced these things. At this point it is necessary to understand how widespread this may be in order to determine the best course of action.
Thank you for your participation. Peter
#68
06-25-2024, 05:38 PM
Senior Member
This exact thing just happened to my 2017 F-Pace S! Was not reading hot at all then started smoking from the back, felt odd so I pulled off the road and immediately the dash electronics went nuts and it just DIED!! When trying to pour coolant in, it just gushes out! Barely 70,000 miles!!! I am livid! What have you figured out to do? Any help whatsoever is greatly appreciated!!! Jen
While it's easy for me to say while my car's running fine, getting angry at your car or an inanimate corporate entity will do nothing but hinder your progress. This is just another of the constant stream of problems that life expects you to solve 🤷 All this hoo-hah about class actions and lawsuits over part failures in five or ten years old cars is hot air and does nothing other than to waste people's time and increase the cost of vehicles for everyone.
Last edited by dangoesfast; 06-25-2024 at 05:47 PM.
#69
06-26-2024, 11:16 AM
Veteran Member
This exact thing just happened to my 2017 F-Pace S! Was not reading hot at all then started smoking from the back, felt odd so I pulled off the road and immediately the dash electronics went nuts and it just DIED!! When trying to pour coolant in, it just gushes out! Barely 70,000 miles!!! I am livid! What have you figured out to do? Any help whatsoever is greatly appreciated!!! Jen
The solution is easy but not inexpensive. There are now metal pipes which can be installed in place of the plastic pipes - and this is well known. The failure of the original pipes is not obvious until the failure occurs (!) so replacing the pipes BEFORE an issue occurs is the solution.
#70
06-27-2024, 09:16 PM
I recently posted about my December purchase of a 2017 F-Pace S with 125,000km and subsequent catastrophic failure after only a week due to overheating caused by the deterioration of plastic cross over pipes under the supercharger. The vehicle was purchased privately so no recourse there. Before purchasing though, I had the vehicle thoroughly checked out by a Jaguar dealer, who says these things can easily happen without being detected beforehand. They also indicated that since the vehicle is out of warranty Jaguar is not likely to do much if anything.
There was no real warning that this was happening until it was too late. The heat gauge went from reading narmal to overheated in about 2 seconds and then it was too late. The dealer has indicated that it's 99% likely the engine is done which would mean $20-$25k to replace the engine. Since this event occured I have learned that this is a common issue with this vehicle. Constant hot and cold causes these plactic pipes to expand and contract and eventually break (around the five year mark), which is unfortunately what happened to me. The heat guage not providing proper information is apparently a known issue as well on this vehicle.
It seems that manufacturers of high end vehicles are not being held accountable for building vehicles that are destined to have major failures just outside of the warranty period. This situation appears to be very common and known to Jaguar which brings me to the reason for this post. I realize I am stepping out on a limb here but I am asking F-Pace owners that have experienced anything like this to reply or if preferred, to direct message me if confidentiality is important. This would be specifically for North America but it would be important to hear from anyone, anywhere in the world that has experienced these things. At this point it is necessary to understand how widespread this may be in order to determine the best course of action.
Thank you for your participation. Peter
There was no real warning that this was happening until it was too late. The heat gauge went from reading narmal to overheated in about 2 seconds and then it was too late. The dealer has indicated that it's 99% likely the engine is done which would mean $20-$25k to replace the engine. Since this event occured I have learned that this is a common issue with this vehicle. Constant hot and cold causes these plactic pipes to expand and contract and eventually break (around the five year mark), which is unfortunately what happened to me. The heat guage not providing proper information is apparently a known issue as well on this vehicle.
It seems that manufacturers of high end vehicles are not being held accountable for building vehicles that are destined to have major failures just outside of the warranty period. This situation appears to be very common and known to Jaguar which brings me to the reason for this post. I realize I am stepping out on a limb here but I am asking F-Pace owners that have experienced anything like this to reply or if preferred, to direct message me if confidentiality is important. This would be specifically for North America but it would be important to hear from anyone, anywhere in the world that has experienced these things. At this point it is necessary to understand how widespread this may be in order to determine the best course of action.
Thank you for your participation. Peter
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#72
07-06-2024, 02:20 PM
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Regardless of the model year, the car will have plastic coolant pipes. At 85,000 miles the engine has been through an enormous number of heating/cooling cycles. There are now metal pipes to replace the plastic, failure-prone pipes. It is far more than a good idea to replace the plastic pipes with metal pipes before they start to leak. The result of a cracked plastic pipes can be serious .
check the Euro Amp website for information about replacement pipes for the 3 litre supercharged engine.
check the Euro Amp website for information about replacement pipes for the 3 litre supercharged engine.
#73
Yesterday, 09:21 AM
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@Peterinio did you ever get anywhere with the class action lawsuit?
Coolant leaks leading to overheating are not necessarily something we can sue Jaguar over. However, the temperature gauge going into the red zone and “engine overheating” message on the dashboard should give an owner enough time to pull over before catastrophic engine failure.
My coolant system popped, steam started
coming out of the engine bay, and within 5 seconds I made it to the side of the highway and shut the engine off. Wasn’t fast enough. Catastrophic engine failure.
I now have a remanufactured engine after $20k.
Keeping the temperature gauge dead center until the very last second of it hitting catastrophic temperatures seems like the culprit here.
Coolant leaks leading to overheating are not necessarily something we can sue Jaguar over. However, the temperature gauge going into the red zone and “engine overheating” message on the dashboard should give an owner enough time to pull over before catastrophic engine failure.
My coolant system popped, steam started
coming out of the engine bay, and within 5 seconds I made it to the side of the highway and shut the engine off. Wasn’t fast enough. Catastrophic engine failure.
I now have a remanufactured engine after $20k.
Keeping the temperature gauge dead center until the very last second of it hitting catastrophic temperatures seems like the culprit here.
#74
Yesterday, 01:09 PM
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Regardless of the model year, the car will have plastic coolant pipes. At 85,000 miles the engine has been through an enormous number of heating/cooling cycles. There are now metal pipes to replace the plastic, failure-prone pipes. It is far more than a good idea to replace the plastic pipes with metal pipes before they start to leak. The result of a cracked plastic pipes can be serious .
check the Euro Amp website for information about replacement pipes for the 3 litre supercharged engine.
check the Euro Amp website for information about replacement pipes for the 3 litre supercharged engine.
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