2022 F-Type R - uses 1 quart oil in 1st 6000 mi.and dealer can’t find leak
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Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to help evaluate the situation. Please keep us posted on what JLR says. I forget what most automakers consider "excessive" oil consumption is on a new engine but know that when an owner reports it the dealers have a procedure where their service department carefully tops off the oil and also adds a type of dye. And then has the owner return to the service department after a set number of miles and they use a UV light to look for external leaks as the first step in determining if the consumption is a leak or is actually burning the oil.
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Sov211
i got a kick out of your reply. After the XK engine, the V12 picked up the mantle as the in house trouble maker. Jag never got it straightened out. Jag has made great looking cars, and sold them on the basis of looks because they wouldn’t sell on the basis of their mechanicals.
i got a kick out of your reply. After the XK engine, the V12 picked up the mantle as the in house trouble maker. Jag never got it straightened out. Jag has made great looking cars, and sold them on the basis of looks because they wouldn’t sell on the basis of their mechanicals.
The V12 engine of this car:
But you say that the V12 engine was an "in-house trouble maker" for Jaguar". Of those 23 V12 cars that I have owned, not a single one, none of them, had any significant engine issue, despite the fact that several had high kms on them. Problems in general with the V12 engine primarily related to the owner's lack of normal maintenance: failing to change the engine fuel hoses, for example, or failure to ensure that the cooling system was maintained properly. The failure points of the V12 engine were few, the primary one being the eventual failure of the ignition module - which, by the way, was made by GM/Delco. It could be replaced easily in 15 minutes (max.) at a cost of approximately $60.
None of the engines, even those with high kms, burned any significant amount of oil. In fact, I never had to add oil to any of the V12 engines between regular changes. The V12 was and is a silky smooth and reliable engine, assuming proper maintenance - and that maintenance is just common-sense care.
So to get back to the original topic, the use of a quart of oil in the first several thousand miles on the OP's F-Type does require investigation unless the cause can be found to be an error of calculation or in the original fill volume.
Last edited by sov211; 10-05-2022 at 02:05 PM.
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In my parlance, “needing oil” means that the dipstick level has fallen below the mid-point on the cross-hatch markings on the dipstick. None of my engines have ever used enough oil to get below that level.
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Did you regularly take an oil reading (the same way each time) during that first year ? Did you notice the gauge reading gradually decreasing ? If you did, why didn't you add 1/4 quart or so when the reading dropped somewhere below MAX and the halfway mark ?
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to help evaluate the situation. Please keep us posted on what JLR says. I forget what most automakers consider "excessive" oil consumption is on a new engine but know that when an owner reports it the dealers have a procedure where their service department carefully tops off the oil and also adds a type of dye. And then has the owner return to the service department after a set number of miles and they use a UV light to look for external leaks as the first step in determining if the consumption is a leak or is actually burning the oil.
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to help evaluate the situation. Please keep us posted on what JLR says. I forget what most automakers consider "excessive" oil consumption is on a new engine but know that when an owner reports it the dealers have a procedure where their service department carefully tops off the oil and also adds a type of dye. And then has the owner return to the service department after a set number of miles and they use a UV light to look for external leaks as the first step in determining if the consumption is a leak or is actually burning the oil.
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3. I actually took it to the dealer when I noticed the level decreasing faster than normal. They said the level was “good”. The assumption was that I didn’t know how to check for oil until I reminded them of my Range Rover. I said what happens when it goes to the add oil section. They said bring it back and that is where we are now.
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If the dealer did in fact get under the car, remove the aerodynamic panels and carefully examine the underbody for signs of oil leaks, then chances are that it burned a quart. And 1 quart over 6000 miles on a brand new engine is a lot but not excessive. Every car is different. I had a couple of cars with the Nissan VQ engines and both burned oil during the break in period and one didn't settle down and stop burning oil until about the 30,000 mile mark ! My Mazda on the other hand only burned about 1/4 quart every 5000 miles for the first 15,000 miles and now doesn't seem to be using any oil at all.
Hard to tell for sure on a Jaguar since they don't have a dipstick. How do you know for sure that it is 1 quart down from how the car was delivered ? Did the electronic gauge go from MAX to well below the half mark when always checked under the same condition ?
Hard to tell for sure on a Jaguar since they don't have a dipstick. How do you know for sure that it is 1 quart down from how the car was delivered ? Did the electronic gauge go from MAX to well below the half mark when always checked under the same condition ?
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The manual for our 2013 MB CLS 550 states: "Depending on the driving style, the vehicle consumes up to .9 quarts of oil over a distance of 600 miles. The oil consumption may be higher than this when the vehicle is new or if you frequently drive at high engine speeds."
German engineering.
German engineering.
Last edited by F-type-r-2022; 10-06-2022 at 04:20 AM.
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UPDATE. UPDATE. UPDATE. UPDATE
Dealer drained the oil and measured then added more oil and they are going to measure every thousand miles to monitor any future oil loss.
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Can't say it's excessive? My modified 2014 XJR will use some oil when pushed. I race at the Texas Mile and after 6-8 runs of 180 MPH+ I have had to add less than a quart of oil. Regular driving will sometimes require a quart about where your at 6000 miles or so. I consider this perfectly fine and normal.
I will say many manufacturers accept what I consider high oil usage as "normal". I have seen new 911's consume 1 quart in 900 miles and Porsche claimed it was within normal oil usage range and would not do anything about it. Seemed high too me?
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I will say many manufacturers accept what I consider high oil usage as "normal". I have seen new 911's consume 1 quart in 900 miles and Porsche claimed it was within normal oil usage range and would not do anything about it. Seemed high too me?
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Can't say it's excessive? My modified 2014 XJR will use some oil when pushed. I race at the Texas Mile and after 6-8 runs of 180 MPH+ I have had to add less than a quart of oil. Regular driving will sometimes require a quart about where your at 6000 miles or so. I consider this perfectly fine and normal.
I will say many manufacturers accept what I consider high oil usage as "normal". I have seen new 911's consume 1 quart in 900 miles and Porsche claimed it was within normal oil usage range and would not do anything about it. Seemed high too me?
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I will say many manufacturers accept what I consider high oil usage as "normal". I have seen new 911's consume 1 quart in 900 miles and Porsche claimed it was within normal oil usage range and would not do anything about it. Seemed high too me?
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Thus, there is no need to opine about what “we” think and what “other manufacturers” say. We joined this forum to share facts. The web is already full of comments that, opine, speculate etc..
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When you say Jaguar, is this someone in consumer affairs or an actual tech rep from JLR? The older Jags a quart every 1000 miles was considered normal. I am just wondering who is saying this is unacceptable.
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Nevertheless, I will answer this bizarre question because it could help someone who is very young etc…
When I said Jaguar I meant Jaguar. Specifically the dealer mechanics and the technical support people that approve warranty repairs. That is why they are performing the oil testing protocol to see if the engine is performing to design as it was NOT designed to produce oil odor and lose a quart of oil every 6 thousand miles.
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That’s a bizarre question. Who talks to “consumer affairs” for issues like this? Why would you think “older” Jaguars would be in any way relevant to a 2022 models. No one cares what the 2008 XJ8 oil use was etc..
Nevertheless, I will answer this bizarre question because it could help someone who is very young etc…
When I said Jaguar I meant Jaguar. Specifically the dealer mechanics and the technical support people that approve warranty repairs. That is why they are performing the oil testing protocol to see if the engine is performing to design as it was NOT designed to produce oil odor and lose a quart of oil every 6 thousand miles.
Nevertheless, I will answer this bizarre question because it could help someone who is very young etc…
When I said Jaguar I meant Jaguar. Specifically the dealer mechanics and the technical support people that approve warranty repairs. That is why they are performing the oil testing protocol to see if the engine is performing to design as it was NOT designed to produce oil odor and lose a quart of oil every 6 thousand miles.
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My 2021 P380 6 cylinder consumed about a pint in the first few thousand miles.
I had similar concerns initially having once owned an oil burner XJ6.
None used in the last 12K or so.
I asume just break-in consumption, and I would guess (opine?) that the R's 8 cylinders likely uses more during break-in.
Hopefully your issue is only temporary.
I had similar concerns initially having once owned an oil burner XJ6.
None used in the last 12K or so.
I asume just break-in consumption, and I would guess (opine?) that the R's 8 cylinders likely uses more during break-in.
Hopefully your issue is only temporary.
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My 2021 P380 6 cylinder consumed about a pint in the first few thousand miles.
I had similar concerns initially having once owned an oil burner XJ6.
None used in the last 12K or so.
I asume just break-in consumption, and I would guess (opine?) that the R's 8 cylinders likely uses more during break-in.
Hopefully your issue is only temporary.
I had similar concerns initially having once owned an oil burner XJ6.
None used in the last 12K or so.
I asume just break-in consumption, and I would guess (opine?) that the R's 8 cylinders likely uses more during break-in.
Hopefully your issue is only temporary.