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In theory, you can take the P450 and give it 600+ hp with a VAP tune. That said, I haven't done mine yet so I don't know if it is capable - from the limited reading I've done, it does look like it's the same engine as usual, just 'de-tuned' to 450hp. Given that you can get the P450 in RWD, unlike the AWD-only 'R', there's potentially a lot of fun to be had there
It is capable. the P450 is the same engine. with the vap tune only you get 605 HP, about 36% more punch and power, and you feel it a lot
When I ordered my 2021 F Type the salesman told me that one of the primary reasons for the 4 cylinder model was to help raise the CAFE average number. There were quite a few 4 cylinder models in stock whenever I checked dealer inventory online, and they often had pretty big discounts. I figured that JLR was using that model as a "loss leader" and just wanted to move them out. Not sure how accurate any of that is, and how exactly the CAFE numbers are calculated but if JLR is offering more and more EV's, maybe that helps offset the rather poor fuel economy of the V8's ? Or are EV's not even considered when the CAFE numbers are worked out ? I wasn't even allowed to place an order for an F Type R in January because I was told that the factory was building 4 cylinder models only at that time which was fresh out of the COVID shutdown. In February they started accepting orders for the V8 models again.
I think some people prefer the balance and handling of the 6.
That's me! The six is a graceful stallion and the eight is an unhinged and scary beast. I came from a 98 horsepower truck after 20 years, so it had nothing to do about money and just had to do about preference.
I hate to sound like an ******* but this is old news.. most of us ha e known this for a long time. I guess you're really gonna be upset when you find out the V8 will be canceled as well
When I ordered my 2021 F Type the salesman told me that one of the primary reasons for the 4 cylinder model was to help raise the CAFE average number.
I 100% think they put the 4cyl out there to balance out the 8cyl. I mean, almost all cars got rid of spare tires for these reasons, right? I think you hit the nail on the head.
To me the story is all about regulation and politicians. I can see that JLR have to navigate a minefield of regulation born of politician's whims. Recall the 'insane' desire by politicians to push diesel and then do a U-turn. JLR invested heavily into diesel engines and must have lost a lot when the policy changed so suddenly. High CAFE (hence 4 cylinder F-Type) and electrification are driven by regulations. Not driven by the market. In my opinion, politicians should leave the market to set the product. As a group, I believe consumers are sensible and will buy reflecting their priorities.
In my opinion, politicians should leave the market to set the product. As a group, I believe consumers are sensible and will buy reflecting their priorities.
Of course, it's those sensible consumers who elected the politicians ...
The P450 V8 with standard configurable dynamics, 20-inch wheels, larger brakes (380mm front, 376mm rear) and switchable active exhaust for $70k seems a compelling bargain.
I am confused by the apparent pricing for the 2022's.
List price on my 2021 R-Dynamic P380 convertible with a few extras was about $94K in February.
Can I now buy a comparable 450HP coupe for about $70K?
What are real apples-to-apples prices for the new line-up?
Somewhere I read that the price for the R is not expected to change for the 2022MY.
If true, the apparent price drop for the P450 would be a real disservice to existing owners.
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I am confused by the apparent pricing for the 2022's.
List price on my 2021 R-Dynamic P380 convertible with a few extras was about $94K in February. Can I now buy a comparable 450HP coupe for about $70K?
The marketing of the F-Type has always been peculiar. How does one consistently go from a four cylinder entry strategy to an all V8 strategy overnight. I expect the marque will continue to limp along for the foreseeable future. Just not a terribly skilled operation.
This could be good for the sales of the F Type because I am sure many buyers of the F Type might have felt very inferior only having a 4 cylinder 2ltr engine (or a V6) in their hot car. Even though the 4cylinder engine was nicely balanced with the car and work quite well on our restricted speed limited roads. I am sure Jaguar were not considering the few German market sales just for the Autoban users. It's more all about the Juvenile mentality of the car buyer today, who just has to have lots of grunt. One should listen to the clip with Jay Leno reviewing the XK220 about the V6 engine versus the V12. The majority of the sales orders on that car were cancelled because it did not have the V12 and came with the V6. But the car went like a rocket and now those that cancelled their orders are very sorry including Jay Leno who did not buy one. Looks like the future of the motor industry is still stuck on speed than practicality and has gone overboard on over engineering and power. Zero to 60mph in a EV in 2 seconds sounds very dangerous to me. Especially when one has no experience in driving a car at these performances. Most motorists love speed but I can't see the point in buying a speed boat for a swimming pool.
06-03-2021, 06:33 AM
