I haven't driven a Supra, nor would I own one as my sports cars need to have the top come down and I don't like the styling. I do, however, have a Z4 M40i which has the same engine as the 2021 Supra and is largely the same car and I will say that I really like it; it obviously isn't as fast as my F type V8S was but perhaps not as far off as you'd expect......but regardless, it is a very nice car; handling, feel, power, etc.
Since the BMW is an upscale and topless version of the Supra with better tech, more premium features and (in 2020) more power, it was the obvious choice between the two.......actually it was the Boxster and MB SLC that I cross shopped and the Z4 was the easy winner in that comparison.

Dave

 

My mate here in the UK had an 83 one like those. We used to lift share to work in the mid 90s and by then it was a rusty wreck and leaked so much oil we called it the Amoco Cadiz. I hated riding in the back of it because it was a death trap. One day I noticed the temp gauge had gone into the red and he hadn't noticed. I was sat there debating with myself whether to tell him or leave the engine to seize then he'd have to get a new car! I told him. He still has it tucked away in a garage. It's probably beyond saving by now.

 

I like to watch some of your British television, like Wheeler Dealers and Car SOS. I am always shocked by how rusty the cars all seem to be over there. But yes, the Supras in the 80s rusted in some certain areas of the body even here in Texas where it doesn't rain much and rarely snows. They didn't have good quality weld-thru primers back then and quite frankly the application of body seam sealer was a bit haphazard. But then they didn't intend for them to last forever, rather they wanted you to come back and buy a new one in a few years. At least the body rust can be repaired and they shared a lot of mechanical bits with other Toyotas and even other brands of cars making it not too difficult to keep them running and driving (which come to think of it may be a benefit of the BMW partnership for long-term maintenance). Its all the Supra-only bits made of plastic, rubber and vinyl along with a few electrical parts that you can't get for them anymore. If all the trim and weatherstrip hasn't been baked to oblivion, then there could be hope for it. What's his story? Maybe Tim and Fuzz would tackle it.

 

I considered one as it was in the price range, but the lack of an MT, the exclusivity of the Jag nameplate, and the silky smooth looks sealed the deal on the F Type for me.

 

Thought about purchasing one instead of the F-type.

My son had a Z-4. Used. Was a nice car. However in its first three years it had more than $10,000 worth of warranty work. New head. New steering system. New top motors.

Kind of left a bad taste. 22,000 miles.

Besides, the F-type is a looker.

 

It feels like a BMW.. But to me that's fine. Sold my 2014 F-Type S Convertible into the Pandemic due to lack of income for nearly year.. Then recently tried Supra & Z4 - lots of similarities & differences both.. but no escaping having some BMW blood in the Supra.

Finally wound up a week ago getting a used 2019 Z4 30i with dynamic handling / m sport, etc.. Love it. Handles great - lighter feeling & more "planted" in comparison to FType.

Don't get me wrong - loved my FType but like this just as well & in many ways better.

Still prefer the looks however of FType - in any form - to either one. Best of luck with your decision.

 

It feels like a BMW.. But to me that's fine. Sold my 2014 F-Type S Convertible into the Pandemic due to lack of income for nearly year.. Then recently tried Supra & Z4 - lots of similarities & differences both.. but no escaping having some BMW blood in the Supra.

Finally wound up a week ago getting a used 2019 Z4 30i with dynamic handling / m sport, etc.. Love it. Handles great - lighter feeling & more "planted" in comparison to FType.

Don't get me wrong - loved my FType but like this just as well & in many ways better.

Still prefer the exterior looks however of FType - in any form - to either one. Best of luck with your decision.

 

It's kinda funny to hear a Jaguar/Landrover owner compare reliability to BMW in a negative light...LOL. I had no real issues with my F type and I bought a new Range Rover last week so I'm not hung up on the fact that JRL has such poor reliability ratings but it's still funny. I'm not sure that a used prior gen Z4 is a good potential indicator of reliability with the 2019+ G29 variant but any vehicle can have issues but I'm hoping my Z4 is a good car from that perspective....if not, I have a 7 year warranty so I won't worry about it for awhile. Certainly, regardless of stats, if you have a bad experience (regardless of brand or whether or not they have good or bad ratings), it tends to color your opinion and rightly so.

Cheers,
Dave

 

The issues like VANOS or disposable crank bearings don't tend to come up during 2 or 3 year lease typical BMW owner has their car. The fact that you could have formally $100K+ BMW be mechanically totaled at around 8 year mark is only abstractly reflected in the higher lease payments for such owners.

 

So I did the swap, out of my 16s awd vert, the supra is better in every way besides noise, and looks. Way faster, handles 10x better, way more modding potential, and way more fun to drive. Plus much cheaper, got mine 10k off sticker, for a loaded premium 3.0, has all the tech I missed in the Jag.

 

I'm not gonna argue BMW vs. JLR reliability with you; it's not me that puts JLR at the bottom of the heap. Like I said, I had no problems with my F type, I hope I have no problems with my RR sport and I've had no issues with our BMW's in the past.

https://driving.ca/lexus/features/fe...or-reliability

Dave

 

If you were looking GenIV then maybe i would get it. These new Bim'ras are fine vehicles, but why bother when you have the F-Type as an alternate?

the 2021 restyle isnt going to have changed this reality: And as many have already said: its not that nice looking of a car - based on the lamest of sporting Bimmers really says its not what the Supra was originally intended to be.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...a-supra-turbo/

I considered a new Supra, before they showed it, before it was spec'd, when it was just going to be the return! The outcome is boring, you may as well just buy a camry. The comments i have read from others here really does speak to this, so perhaps ask yourself what you are hoping for from this dull product and if its ticking those boxes, do it, but otherwise i will say "Life is too short to drive boring cars"

 

It is sad that a lot of people think this and never gave the car a chance, **** I thought the same thing too, but in the real world it is so much more fun to drive then the f-type ever was, and with the tech and quality it can't even come close to 2021 F-type, I loved my F-type, but with numerous issues everyday and the lack of tech, it just wasn't something I wanted to own anymore, and the deal was there. Now after a couple months I could not be happier with the supra, the B58 has been around for years and it is known for its insane reliability the ability to take power like crazy. Looks, while I love mine now that it is lowered etc, the F-type is still going to be one of the best looking cars. But this car is the furthest thing from boring. It is also almost as fast as a 2016 F-type R, like a 2 car difference, people forget this car make 340 wheel all day, it is a 400+ hp car stock in reality and weighs 3300 LBS

 

Have you seen one in person? I saw it at the 2019 SEMA show, not a good looking car, confused lines, bulbous hood and the rear end is ugly. Sitting in it it seemed very confining.The BMW Z4 is better looking and is a convertible, but a lot more expensive. Toyotas are known for their reliability, but the engine is a BMW. I compared it with the new Corvette at the show and the Corvette looked much better, had a V8 rather than a straight 6 and had 100 more horsepower and is mid-engine. For only $5,000 more I would go for the Corvette, but neither one looks as good as the F-Type.

Brian A.

 

I like the C8 but find one for 5k more, cheapest is 75-80k for a 60k sticker car

 

New Supra is a good looking car if your 25. I little to Boy Racer for me without the bang. I had a 280XZ, Maserati Coupe GT and now the F-Type. All very similar lines. I like used Austin Martins too. Ok I like the look.
Jag is classier ride in a different playing field. I am in Scottsdale where nice cars are a dime a dozen. The Jag never fails to get stares, points and head snaps. Getting older and have had many cars. I Supra looks liek a real pain to wash too. Water pouring out everywhere for days. Like a MINI Cooper. Jag is the easiest car I ever washed period! Like 15 minutes-done.

 

Nope, because the vents in stock form are fake so it's not really much different than the F-Type. FWIW, I'm not complaining about the fake vents like others on the interweb, just pointing out that since the vents aren't real, it doesn't make washing it any harder.

 

OK, I wasn't going to post this here because it won't be well recieved but my thoughts on the F type vs. Z4 M40i (Supra is the same car except for the body and hardtop and a few less goodies). I didn't even consider the Supra because my sportscar was always going to be topless regardless of brand;

With regards to exterior styling; I loved the look of my F type with the exception of a couple of items; notably the grill bar and the thick looking belt line. Also I didn't care for the wheels or tires. Looks are subjective but I like the look of both and I'll admit, I'm not a big fan of the Supra styling. There is no doubt that the F type got more attention from people - due to the more exclusive badge, stellar looks and obnoxious levels of noise. Some people like the extra attention and some don't.......mostly I'm in the latter catagory.

My F type V8S was more powerful and faster than the Z4 M40i......but the difference was small and actual power difference at the wheels is around 75hp or so.......not insignificant but not huge given the 300lb weight advantage of the Z4. A great many of the Z4 M40i tests online are for the 335hp european model, not the 382hp NA model. The M40i outperforms a V6S F type in every measureable way. Where the M40i shines in comparison to my F type is in dynamic feel and control; it just handles better and feels lighter....because it is.

I miss my F type but found myself with both it and my wife's SLK350 Mercedes and I decided that we should have only one sportscar. She didn't like driving the F type as it was larger, had a higher beltline and she found it intimidating to drive and park. I cross shopped for a replacement and I wanted a lighter, smaller and more dynamic car. Naturally the Porsche dealer was our first stop but after driving the 718 Boxster S (as well as a 911S and 981 Boxster), I found that despite the brilliant handling, the 4 cylinder engine left me flat and I couldn't see paying the price they wanted for a car that sounded like my son's Subaru......and speaking of price, the Porsche's MSRP was $115,000 and the dealer wanted a bit MORE than MSRP. In comparison my Z4's MSRP was $85,000 and I got it for less....and it was optioned out far more than the Porsche. I also test drove a new MB SLC43AMG but it was a dated outgoing model and couldn't compete dynamically with the Porsche or BMW. The MB SL63AMG was nice but very expensive and was larger and less dynamic than what I wanted. The Audi TT was a natural competitor, but I couldn't get past the look of it so I didn't even drive one. The C8 wasn't out when I bought my Z4 and while it's obviously the best "bang for the buck" out there, it isn't what I was looking for and I'm happy with my choice as I was looking for a premium luxury sportscar, not a Corvette.

Things I miss about my F type;
- stellar looks
- intoxicating power

Things I prefer about my Z4 M40i;
- smaller size
- more dynamic handling
- I prefer the brakes, rims and tires (came with Michelin Pilot SS's)
- the interior is more modern with more up-to-date infotainment system - as you'd expect from a 6 year newer car.
- more cockpit space with room behind my seat (I'm 5'11"); my F type seat was all the way back until it touched the bulkhead
- more trunk space

...and 95% of the time, I prefer the more subdued exhaust note of the BMW. The F type made me want to drive it hard all the time - for whatever reason, I'm more content to drive the Z4 at semi-normal speeds.


I'm not bashing the F type and I loved the time I had with mine but the Z4 is quite good......and a bargain IMO considering what you get for your money. When I eventually replace it, I'll likely be looking at a Porsche 718 GTS now that they put the flat six back in them.

Cheers,
Dave

 

I’ve got an MKIV Supra, and have always been a fan of Supra / Supra-Celicas. That being said, I think the new Supra looks great, is capable, and all around a great car...however, if it was me and I knew I was buying a re-skinned BMW I would probably just buy an M2 for the same money.
Better diff, better trans, better engine, better brakes, a rear seat, bigger trunk, all for the same money.

The only reason I see to buy a Supra is if you really absolutely love the looks. if your on the fence, for the same money you get a better BMW in the M2

 

Yes, people/dealers are exploiting the availability but wait 8 months when there are 5 or 6 on the dealers lot. Toyota Dealers are charging over sticker for the new Supra as well.
I would never pay over sticker for a car. That $80,000 won't carry over and make the resale value higher. I remember when the Mazda Miata first came out and dealers were getting $3 to $4 thousand over sticker for about six months, ta friend of mine who fell for that got screwed when he traded it two years later for a new car.