Average brake life?
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Am looking at an F Type R tomorrow with 22k miles on it. The pics of the rotors look suspect it could just be bad pics.
However I am curious as to what real world expectations are for rotor/pad wear and replacement. I drove the **** out of my 911 and the brakes lasted 75k kms.
I know it depends on driving style etc but can you guys give me some benchmarks to work off of? Anticipated cost? The car has 1 year of warranty left on it but of course brakes wont be covered
Thanks!
However I am curious as to what real world expectations are for rotor/pad wear and replacement. I drove the **** out of my 911 and the brakes lasted 75k kms.
I know it depends on driving style etc but can you guys give me some benchmarks to work off of? Anticipated cost? The car has 1 year of warranty left on it but of course brakes wont be covered
Thanks!
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At 24K miles I still had maybe 3/4 of the pads left. I swapped for the Wortec rotors and Porterfileld pads and am now at about 44K miles. I'd have much more except that the last year has been atypical.
I do a lot of freeway miles, but when I'm driving for sport I use the brakes pretty hard. I don't expect you'd have a problem with a 22K mile car, but pad thickness should definitely be something on the vehicle report.
I do a lot of freeway miles, but when I'm driving for sport I use the brakes pretty hard. I don't expect you'd have a problem with a 22K mile car, but pad thickness should definitely be something on the vehicle report.
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While i have no direct experience, what I can say is this.
I test drove a CPO 2017 Convertible S at my local dealer before buying my 2021.
To qualify for the CPO label, the dealer replaced front brakes and disks and 4 (P-Zero?) tires at 17K miles,, among other items.
So perhaps the PO was particularly aggressive, perhaps not, but either way they can/do wear fast.
I am sure the dealer would not have replaced them just to be nice !!
I test drove a CPO 2017 Convertible S at my local dealer before buying my 2021.
To qualify for the CPO label, the dealer replaced front brakes and disks and 4 (P-Zero?) tires at 17K miles,, among other items.
So perhaps the PO was particularly aggressive, perhaps not, but either way they can/do wear fast.
I am sure the dealer would not have replaced them just to be nice !!
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While i have no direct experience, what I can say is this.
I test drove a CPO 2017 Convertible S at my local dealer before buying my 2021.
To qualify for the CPO label, the dealer replaced front brakes and disks and 4 (P-Zero?) tires at 17K miles,, among other items.
So perhaps the PO was particularly aggressive, perhaps not, but either way they can/do wear fast.
I am sure the dealer would not have replaced them just to be nice !!
I test drove a CPO 2017 Convertible S at my local dealer before buying my 2021.
To qualify for the CPO label, the dealer replaced front brakes and disks and 4 (P-Zero?) tires at 17K miles,, among other items.
So perhaps the PO was particularly aggressive, perhaps not, but either way they can/do wear fast.
I am sure the dealer would not have replaced them just to be nice !!
Thanks. What was the rough costs? Is there a pad wear sensor that goes off like in the Porsche?
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Yes, there are wear sensors, mine tripped. After weighing the pros and cons, I had the dealer procure and install OEM rotors and install Porterfield pads which I supplied.
The dealer gave me good pricing, but it was still $2k for rotors, wear sensors, and installation. There are cheaper places to source OEM rotors, and there are a number of cheaper aftermarket options. There was a group buy of Wortec rotors here, which are pricier but drilled, slotted & optionally suncut.
The dealer gave me good pricing, but it was still $2k for rotors, wear sensors, and installation. There are cheaper places to source OEM rotors, and there are a number of cheaper aftermarket options. There was a group buy of Wortec rotors here, which are pricier but drilled, slotted & optionally suncut.
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Yes, there are wear sensors, mine tripped. After weighing the pros and cons, I had the dealer procure and install OEM rotors and install Porterfield pads which I supplied.
The dealer gave me good pricing, but it was still $2k for rotors, wear sensors, and installation. There are cheaper places to source OEM rotors, and there are a number of cheaper aftermarket options. There was a group buy of Wortec rotors here, which are pricier but drilled, slotted & optionally suncut.
The dealer gave me good pricing, but it was still $2k for rotors, wear sensors, and installation. There are cheaper places to source OEM rotors, and there are a number of cheaper aftermarket options. There was a group buy of Wortec rotors here, which are pricier but drilled, slotted & optionally suncut.
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While i have no direct experience, what I can say is this.
I test drove a CPO 2017 Convertible S at my local dealer before buying my 2021.
To qualify for the CPO label, the dealer replaced front brakes and disks and 4 (P-Zero?) tires at 17K miles,, among other items.
So perhaps the PO was particularly aggressive, perhaps not, but either way they can/do wear fast.
I am sure the dealer would not have replaced them just to be nice !!
I test drove a CPO 2017 Convertible S at my local dealer before buying my 2021.
To qualify for the CPO label, the dealer replaced front brakes and disks and 4 (P-Zero?) tires at 17K miles,, among other items.
So perhaps the PO was particularly aggressive, perhaps not, but either way they can/do wear fast.
I am sure the dealer would not have replaced them just to be nice !!
Plus they did a lot more (totaling about $13K).
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Thanks, good data point
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I would not rely on the pad wear sensors as they have a well earned reputation for being problematic.
The exact same sensors are used across the range of modern Jags from at least 2009, so XF, XJ, XK, F-Type etc.
Reported problems include:
- didn't work at all, pads worn through to the backing plates (fairly rare)
- went off way too early, heaps of meat left on the pads (reasonably common)
- constant false "replace brake pads" message
- the ends which go into the pads go very brittle and break off 95% of the time if/when you try to insert them into a new pad
The warning is meant to go off when the relevant pad gets down to around 2-3 mm in thickness and most work OK around that mark but some do not.
You can't just disable the system by deleting the sensor(s) otherwise you will get a constant error message, you need to keep the cable/wires plugged into the electrical socket up in the wheel well.
One of the first things I did on my F-Type was to disable the system by pulling the sensor cables out of their mounting points on the brake calipers and zip tying them up out of the way.
Last but not least there are only two sensors (when there are eight pads), front left inner and rear right inner, and if/when the "brake pads low" message fires up you have no idea if it is referring to the front left inner or the right rear inner pad so you have to check both anyway, and even then it might be a false positive.
Muuuuch better to disable the system and manually check pad wear and condition every few months which is what I do.
The exact same sensors are used across the range of modern Jags from at least 2009, so XF, XJ, XK, F-Type etc.
Reported problems include:
- didn't work at all, pads worn through to the backing plates (fairly rare)
- went off way too early, heaps of meat left on the pads (reasonably common)
- constant false "replace brake pads" message
- the ends which go into the pads go very brittle and break off 95% of the time if/when you try to insert them into a new pad
The warning is meant to go off when the relevant pad gets down to around 2-3 mm in thickness and most work OK around that mark but some do not.
You can't just disable the system by deleting the sensor(s) otherwise you will get a constant error message, you need to keep the cable/wires plugged into the electrical socket up in the wheel well.
One of the first things I did on my F-Type was to disable the system by pulling the sensor cables out of their mounting points on the brake calipers and zip tying them up out of the way.
Last but not least there are only two sensors (when there are eight pads), front left inner and rear right inner, and if/when the "brake pads low" message fires up you have no idea if it is referring to the front left inner or the right rear inner pad so you have to check both anyway, and even then it might be a false positive.
Muuuuch better to disable the system and manually check pad wear and condition every few months which is what I do.
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Thanks
911 costs around here are prob +$3k at the dealer. Parts alone about $1300 and that buying through an independent supplier.
Agree re sensors, they are just a guide and easy just to pear in and have a look.
Of course the car i went to look at sold 1 hr after I left. It had been sitting on the lot for 9 month!! 1 of the other salesman saw me testing and called a client he had been working for months and the guy put a deposit on it just after I left. Frustrating. Same thing happened with a 911 I was looking at. Too much money out there!!!
911 costs around here are prob +$3k at the dealer. Parts alone about $1300 and that buying through an independent supplier.
Agree re sensors, they are just a guide and easy just to pear in and have a look.
Of course the car i went to look at sold 1 hr after I left. It had been sitting on the lot for 9 month!! 1 of the other salesman saw me testing and called a client he had been working for months and the guy put a deposit on it just after I left. Frustrating. Same thing happened with a 911 I was looking at. Too much money out there!!!
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