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Old 07-06-2021, 09:48 PM
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I'm loving my new F type R in most all respects...but if possible, I need to do something about this brake dust accumulation on the wheels. There may be multiple solutions to this issue, but "low dust brake pads" is the one I have used on numerous previous cars I've owned. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any brand of low dust brake pads for this car. If any of the members know what manufacturer sells them, I'll do the necessary leg work to find out cost, shipping charges, etc. I hope someone out there can help....thanks!
 
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Old 07-06-2021, 10:39 PM
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I'm scheduled to get my car ceramic coated next month, I'm also having the wheels and the barrels ceramic coated which is supposed to make the brake dust clean up easy.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 12:24 AM
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Porterfield R4S, lots here have fitted them including moi.
Carbon kevlar (so they claim) rather than ceramic.
Waaaaaay less dust than the stock pads, smoother and more progressive to boot, and same stopping power and fade resistance as the stock pads.
The only downside for some is a lot less initial bite than stock pads, maybe 1 or 2 cm of whoa pedal travel before any real action, but I much prefer this in stop go traffic where they are a lot more progressive than the damn near impossible to modulate "on/off" switch behaviour of stock pads.
For an R you want the AP 1750 for the front and the AP 1753 for the rear, see here and here:
https://www.lpiracing.com/store/pc/P...762p266555.htm
https://www.lpiracing.com/store/pc/P...762p266557.htm
Don't worry that those pages say 2014 to 2018, the 2021 has the same brakes (unless of course you have the CCM brakes then new pads are a whole different ballgame).
The "S" in R4S signifies "street" but if you want more track focussed pads then choose the R4 instead.
Forum sponsor VAP also sells Porterfield pads.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:36 AM
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Short of replacing the pads, I'll second the suggestion to apply a ceramic coating to the wheels.

I use a cheap hybrid ceramic that I apply in my garage, but it works fine if applied twice a year. A light water rinse, or even just dusting with a small California Duster, keeps the black stuff at bay.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:01 AM
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I have also noticed a lot of brake dust on my 2021. I too put a couple of coats of spray wax, in my case Turtle Wax Graphene, on the wheels. The dust rinses off very easily and what sticks wipes off with one of those microfiber mitts that is reserved for the wheels only and some car wash soap. I imagine that the wax won't hold up as long as it does on the body panels, but it is easy enough to reapply when I wash the car and quite inexpensive compared to replacing the pads.

I had Brembo brakes on my 2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe and they were horrendous regarding brake dust. I learned about waxing the wheels then, and it was prior to the new ceramic and graphene spray waxes which are much easier to use and more effective.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 09:35 AM
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As Oz notes, the Porterfield R4S pads produce significantly less dust than stock. I agree with the progressiveness being an advantage, especially in stop and go traffic, where stock is a bit too grabby for me. The only other cation I'd have is that when they're cold and wet they don't grab as well until they've dried. By "cold and wet" I mean something like 30 minutes of freeway driving in heavy rain, not heavy rain where I'm using the brakes with any frequency, or light rain at all.

Overall, I *do* recommend them and am very happy with them. Even my BMW-driving friend noted how bad stock was, and he'd previously been complaining about his own wheels looking terrible.
 
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… The only other cation I'd have is that when they're cold and wet they don't grab as well until they've dried. By "cold and wet" I mean something like 30 minutes of freeway driving in heavy rain, not heavy rain where I'm using the brakes with any frequency, or light rain...
I noticed this last week while driving in torrential rain. Took quite a bit of pedal travel for them to start biting/drying. Still happy with them.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 01:32 PM
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I noticed this last week while driving in torrential rain. Took quite a bit of pedal travel for them to start biting/drying. Still happy with them.
Realistically, I don't really remember what torrential rain is like. Can you send some over?
 
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Low dust brake pads are generally of three kinds - ones that deliver degraded stopping performance, ones that eat rotors, and ones that are very noisy. Brake dust is a necessary evil if you want to have quietness, longevity and performance.
 
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a simple wax stops this
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by George05
a simple wax stops this
No it doesn't.
 
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No it doesn't.
it does if you put the wax on the pads. There may be consequences, though.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Low dust brake pads are generally of three kinds - ones that deliver degraded stopping performance, ones that eat rotors, and ones that are very noisy. Brake dust is a necessary evil if you want to have quietness, longevity and performance.
Brake dust is indeed a necessary evil in the same way that tire wear is.

The stock pads are so "high dust" so I think that most anything is "low" in comparison. I have about 20K miles with Porterfield R4S pads and Wortec rotors and have noticed no unusual wear or noise. There is still dust, but not nearly so much as stock. I'm willing to wash my wheels once I start forgetting what colors they're supposed to be, but I greatly appreciate the reduced grabbiness at low braking levels compared to stock. I prefer more progressive feel.
 
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Has anybody tried the EBC red pads?
 
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Originally Posted by SouthSider
Has anybody tried the EBC red pads?
I had a trawl through the EBC web site and no trace of RedStuffs for the F-Type. YellowStuffs yes but they are more of a track pad, and RedStuffs for the XF, XJ, XK etc but not the F-Type. That said front RedStuffs for the 380 mm brakes on an XFR, XKR, XJR etc will fit perfectly OK as they are the exact same brakes as the 380 mm on the F-Type R, but then you would need different pads for the rear which is maybe not a great idea.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 07:53 PM
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EBC Red Stuff 2014-2017 F-type front pads DP32191C $180.
Might not be available for 2018 and newer.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:15 PM
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I'm pretty sure the member who tested the pre-production Wortecs used YellowStuff pads. I've not heard anything about RedStuff.
 
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:33 PM
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I used Wheel Wax but have decided it wasn't worth the effort. I remember another member agreeing with me at the time. Everyoine who has used the Porterfields seems happy with them.
 
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Great responses everyone, thank you! The Porterfield 4S's are the answer for me, I'm going to buy a set.
The comments on ceramic coating and waxing the wheels really don't solve my concerns. I have XPEL PPF on much of the car and the car has been completely professionally paint corrected and ceramic coated The cleaning of the wheels is not an issue for me...every time I wash the car, I wash the wheels (mine are gloss black, the car is Carpathian Grey Metallic with the Black Exterior package) and wash out the wheel wells. It's the heavy black brake dust that covers the wheels fairly quickly, yet the car remains clean and doesn't need washed. I'm **** enough that if I try to wash the wheels, I get water on the car's finish and then wind up rinsing the car off just to make the finished product look right. Being that **** can sometimes be a curse!
And, I have noticed the OEM brakes are quite grabby in heavy traffic and sometimes it's difficult to slow down and make an easy stop. The 4S's will work fine for me.
Again, thanks everyone!
 
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Originally Posted by lizzardo
I'm pretty sure the member who tested the pre-production Wortecs used YellowStuff pads. I've not heard anything about RedStuff.
redstuff pads are working very well for me. I’ve used them on my Shelby Mustangs and Cobra, Jaguar XKR, and numerous customer cars.


low dust and great stopping power . Much better than what Jaguar is using on their std and Brembo brake packages. Work well when cold too.

I have 50,000 + miles on the red stuff pads on the XKR. They are a little more than 1/2 way used up. Rotor ls still looking new.


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PS I’ve done several back to back comparisons between the ebc red stuff pads and the Porterfield’s R4-s on the same car same conditions.

the ebc’s consistently stopped 10-20 ft shorter from 80 mph than the Porterfield’s.
 

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