CarPlay, Android Auto, Mirrorlink, updating the F-Type entertainment
#21
Sometime in the next month or so I should be making an install of an aftermarket Apple Carplay system to a 2013 XF, which has the same IAM2.1 system as the F-Type's up to 2015 (and some 2016 models, if you have the 770W).
It takes over the Nav menu on the screen, you lose the factory Nav completely, but you get CarPlay instead.
I'll update you when it's done.
It takes over the Nav menu on the screen, you lose the factory Nav completely, but you get CarPlay instead.
I'll update you when it's done.
#22
Yes it's all controlled through the touchscreen. Since there is no swiping on the IAM2.1 touchscreen, you get buttons to scroll through.
This is what it looks like on a Land Rover, but it's the same screen on an F-Type.
There are three versions; Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, or both together, and you use the touchscreen to control the various apps.
There is also a MirrorLink & AirPlay unit which puts the phone screen on the car touchscreen, but that does not include Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, and again you lose the factory navigation, it takes over the Nav menu.
This is what it looks like on a Land Rover, but it's the same screen on an F-Type.
There are three versions; Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, or both together, and you use the touchscreen to control the various apps.
There is also a MirrorLink & AirPlay unit which puts the phone screen on the car touchscreen, but that does not include Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, and again you lose the factory navigation, it takes over the Nav menu.
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#23
Yes it's all controlled through the touchscreen. Since there is no swiping on the IAM2.1 touchscreen, you get buttons to scroll through.
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This is what it looks like on a Land Rover, but it's the same screen on an F-Type.
There are three versions; Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, or both together, and you use the touchscreen to control the various apps.
There is also a MirrorLink & AirPlay unit which puts the phone screen on the car touchscreen, but that does not include Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, and again you lose the factory navigation, it takes over the Nav menu.
Attachment 214239
This is what it looks like on a Land Rover, but it's the same screen on an F-Type.
There are three versions; Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, or both together, and you use the touchscreen to control the various apps.
There is also a MirrorLink & AirPlay unit which puts the phone screen on the car touchscreen, but that does not include Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, and again you lose the factory navigation, it takes over the Nav menu.
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#30
Sometime in the next month or so I should be making an install of an aftermarket Apple Carplay system to a 2013 XF, which has the same IAM2.1 system as the F-Type's up to 2015 (and some 2016 models, if you have the 770W).
It takes over the Nav menu on the screen, you lose the factory Nav completely, but you get CarPlay instead.
I'll update you when it's done.
It takes over the Nav menu on the screen, you lose the factory Nav completely, but you get CarPlay instead.
I'll update you when it's done.
#32
I thought that I wanted CarPlay too but it seems to be as limited as InControl.
You can only use approved apps and third party mapping is not allowed. So the only advantage that I can see is Apple Maps. All I personally want is waze on InControl. If CarPlay will allow waze in future then I’d want it.
List of CarPlay apps.....
Third-party apps compatible with CarPlay:
WhatsApp
Spotify
Amazon Music
Google Play Music
iPlayer Radio
CBS Radio
Pandora
Slacker Radio
Tidal
Audible
NPR One
VOX
Clammr
Downcast
Default iPhone apps on CarPlay:
Phone
Music
Maps
Messages
Now Playing
Podcasts
You can only use approved apps and third party mapping is not allowed. So the only advantage that I can see is Apple Maps. All I personally want is waze on InControl. If CarPlay will allow waze in future then I’d want it.
List of CarPlay apps.....
Third-party apps compatible with CarPlay:
Spotify
Amazon Music
Google Play Music
iPlayer Radio
CBS Radio
Pandora
Slacker Radio
Tidal
Audible
NPR One
VOX
Clammr
Downcast
Default iPhone apps on CarPlay:
Phone
Music
Maps
Messages
Now Playing
Podcasts
#33
I thought that I wanted CarPlay too but it seems to be as limited as InControl.
You can only use approved apps and third party mapping is not allowed. So the only advantage that I can see is Apple Maps. All I personally want is waze on InControl. If CarPlay will allow waze in future then I’d want it.
List of CarPlay apps.....
Third-party apps compatible with CarPlay:
WhatsApp
Spotify
Amazon Music
Google Play Music
iPlayer Radio
CBS Radio
Pandora
Slacker Radio
Tidal
Audible
NPR One
VOX
Clammr
Downcast
Default iPhone apps on CarPlay:
Phone
Music
Maps
Messages
Now Playing
Podcasts
You can only use approved apps and third party mapping is not allowed. So the only advantage that I can see is Apple Maps. All I personally want is waze on InControl. If CarPlay will allow waze in future then I’d want it.
List of CarPlay apps.....
Third-party apps compatible with CarPlay:
Spotify
Amazon Music
Google Play Music
iPlayer Radio
CBS Radio
Pandora
Slacker Radio
Tidal
Audible
NPR One
VOX
Clammr
Downcast
Default iPhone apps on CarPlay:
Phone
Music
Maps
Messages
Now Playing
Podcasts
#34
CarPlay Navigation is a quantum leap ahead of the in-dash Jag navigation... even using Apple Maps instead of Google Maps (which I think is superior). This is the primary motivator.
Cambo: I'm curious to know how the display between the gauges behaves when in the CarPlay interface, and how the audio switching is handled. For example, can you use CarPlay Navigation while using the FM Radio? What happens if you try to use a CarPlay audio source (e.g. Spotify app via CarPlay) while previously listening to SiriusXM or FM... does it switch over seamlessly? Would the Jag audio sources like FM mute for the CarPlay navigation voice announcements? And can you share what module you'll be trying out in the XF? Burning questions
Cambo: I'm curious to know how the display between the gauges behaves when in the CarPlay interface, and how the audio switching is handled. For example, can you use CarPlay Navigation while using the FM Radio? What happens if you try to use a CarPlay audio source (e.g. Spotify app via CarPlay) while previously listening to SiriusXM or FM... does it switch over seamlessly? Would the Jag audio sources like FM mute for the CarPlay navigation voice announcements? And can you share what module you'll be trying out in the XF? Burning questions
Last edited by hades281; 05-12-2018 at 08:43 AM.
#35
Sometime in the next month or so I should be making an install of an aftermarket Apple Carplay system to a 2013 XF, which has the same IAM2.1 system as the F-Type's up to 2015 (and some 2016 models, if you have the 770W).
It takes over the Nav menu on the screen, you lose the factory Nav completely, but you get CarPlay instead.
I'll update you when it's done.
It takes over the Nav menu on the screen, you lose the factory Nav completely, but you get CarPlay instead.
I'll update you when it's done.
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#37
CarPlay has been rumored since 2016. There are even sites saying Jaguar is already a participating brand and/or screenshots dating back to last year that show a Smartphone Pack for Android Auto & CarPlay.
Believe it when you see it. Don't count on it being an available retrofit.
Believe it when you see it. Don't count on it being an available retrofit.
Last edited by uncheel; 05-14-2018 at 08:07 AM.
#39
OK i'll try to answer some of your questions regarding this aftermarket CarPlay installation;
- The video part of CarPlay is via the Nav menu, so you press the Nav soft-button on the screen, or the Nav hard button on the side, and it takes you into the CarPlay screen instead of the factory navigation. An additional USB socket has to be installed in the car to connect the phone to (I would put it in the armrest, near the factory socket.)
- The audio part of CarPlay is via the AUX input, an output from the CarPlay module plugs into the 3.5mm AUX socket in the armrest. To get audio via CarPlay you need to select the AUX input of the vehicle sound system.
So you could have navigation via CarPlay on the screen, with a different audio source playing (say FM, or stored CD's), but in this case no spoken instructions from the Nav will be coming through the car's speakers, because the AUX audio input is not selected. If you were playing music via a CarPlay app, with Navigation up on the screen, then the AUX input is in use, and you would get the spoken Nav instructions through the speakers.
There are limited Apple approved apps available for CarPlay, however it is possible to use just about any app via Carplay, if the iPhone is Jailbroken. There are apps available for Jailbroken phones which will transfer non-approved apps to the CarPlay unit.
An example here;
So you could have Waze, Youtube or whatever via Carplay, even though they are not approved apps.
I have never Jailbroken a phone, so I'm far from an expert on how this works or affects the operation of the phone, do your own research and make your own decisions on that one!
At any time you can press the Home Menu button, or the Audio Video buttons on the sides of the screen, and it will jump out of the CarPlay screen, and take you back to the other functions in the factory system.
The only factory functionality which is lost is the navigation, everything else works and functions as before.
The hardware and installation costs of the CarPlay system is going to be considerably cheaper than a retrofit of InControl Apps in a car that has the IAM2.1 infotainment (all F-Types up to 2015MY, and those with the 770W systems up to 2017MY) and with a Jailbroken phone, you can put just about any app up on the screen. It also does not need any programming, just the physical install. The CarPlay unit is $1100 AUD (about $840 USD) and I'd allow 4-5hrs installation time on a convertible. The hardware for the factory InControl Apps costs much more (new) and the installation is much more complicated, with some custom wiring needed and programming with SDD, which only a few people can do, the dealers can't.
The only downsides from my point of view are;
#1 the loss of the factory navigation
#2 you have to select AUX as the audio input manually
It's not a seamless factory integration, but it's as close as you're gonna get, because there was never a factory CarPlay system on the IAM2.1 in Jags, Land Rovers or Volvos.
In saying that, there was a time that the Bosch MySPIN hardware (that's InControl Apps re-branded) was planned to have CarPlay compatibility, actually there are settings in the vehicle Car Configuration File for MySPIN, CarPlay or Android Auto, or a combination of the three, but it seems that the software was never added to the module from Bosch, we tried changing the settings but it didn't bring up any CarPlay or Android Auto options on the screen. They were planning ahead for it, but I guess it never happened for one reason or another.
Actually the Bosch MySPIN (inControl Apps) could have been a contender to have all the functionality of Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. If you have a look at the Bosch site mySPIN Apps - Bosch SoftTec they list out all the currently available apps for MySPIN, then compare it to the currently available apps for InControl Apps from JLR and you can see JLR has not added all of the available MySPIN apps to their InControl branded version.
And you can also see there's lots of big name apps still missing from the MySPIN list. You can imagine that Google didn't want to license some of their products to Bosch, and the same for Apple. From their point of view MySPIN is a competitor to CarPlay or Android Auto, they will (probably?)make more money by having CarPlay licensed, than just individual apps to Bosch.
This is probably the same reason behind Google-owned apps not being officially available on Apple CarPlay, e.g. Youtube, Google Maps, etc... at the end of the day they are competitors and their #1 priority is to their shareholders, not their customers.
- The video part of CarPlay is via the Nav menu, so you press the Nav soft-button on the screen, or the Nav hard button on the side, and it takes you into the CarPlay screen instead of the factory navigation. An additional USB socket has to be installed in the car to connect the phone to (I would put it in the armrest, near the factory socket.)
- The audio part of CarPlay is via the AUX input, an output from the CarPlay module plugs into the 3.5mm AUX socket in the armrest. To get audio via CarPlay you need to select the AUX input of the vehicle sound system.
So you could have navigation via CarPlay on the screen, with a different audio source playing (say FM, or stored CD's), but in this case no spoken instructions from the Nav will be coming through the car's speakers, because the AUX audio input is not selected. If you were playing music via a CarPlay app, with Navigation up on the screen, then the AUX input is in use, and you would get the spoken Nav instructions through the speakers.
There are limited Apple approved apps available for CarPlay, however it is possible to use just about any app via Carplay, if the iPhone is Jailbroken. There are apps available for Jailbroken phones which will transfer non-approved apps to the CarPlay unit.
An example here;
So you could have Waze, Youtube or whatever via Carplay, even though they are not approved apps.
I have never Jailbroken a phone, so I'm far from an expert on how this works or affects the operation of the phone, do your own research and make your own decisions on that one!
At any time you can press the Home Menu button, or the Audio Video buttons on the sides of the screen, and it will jump out of the CarPlay screen, and take you back to the other functions in the factory system.
The only factory functionality which is lost is the navigation, everything else works and functions as before.
The hardware and installation costs of the CarPlay system is going to be considerably cheaper than a retrofit of InControl Apps in a car that has the IAM2.1 infotainment (all F-Types up to 2015MY, and those with the 770W systems up to 2017MY) and with a Jailbroken phone, you can put just about any app up on the screen. It also does not need any programming, just the physical install. The CarPlay unit is $1100 AUD (about $840 USD) and I'd allow 4-5hrs installation time on a convertible. The hardware for the factory InControl Apps costs much more (new) and the installation is much more complicated, with some custom wiring needed and programming with SDD, which only a few people can do, the dealers can't.
The only downsides from my point of view are;
#1 the loss of the factory navigation
#2 you have to select AUX as the audio input manually
It's not a seamless factory integration, but it's as close as you're gonna get, because there was never a factory CarPlay system on the IAM2.1 in Jags, Land Rovers or Volvos.
In saying that, there was a time that the Bosch MySPIN hardware (that's InControl Apps re-branded) was planned to have CarPlay compatibility, actually there are settings in the vehicle Car Configuration File for MySPIN, CarPlay or Android Auto, or a combination of the three, but it seems that the software was never added to the module from Bosch, we tried changing the settings but it didn't bring up any CarPlay or Android Auto options on the screen. They were planning ahead for it, but I guess it never happened for one reason or another.
Actually the Bosch MySPIN (inControl Apps) could have been a contender to have all the functionality of Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. If you have a look at the Bosch site mySPIN Apps - Bosch SoftTec they list out all the currently available apps for MySPIN, then compare it to the currently available apps for InControl Apps from JLR and you can see JLR has not added all of the available MySPIN apps to their InControl branded version.
And you can also see there's lots of big name apps still missing from the MySPIN list. You can imagine that Google didn't want to license some of their products to Bosch, and the same for Apple. From their point of view MySPIN is a competitor to CarPlay or Android Auto, they will (probably?)make more money by having CarPlay licensed, than just individual apps to Bosch.
This is probably the same reason behind Google-owned apps not being officially available on Apple CarPlay, e.g. Youtube, Google Maps, etc... at the end of the day they are competitors and their #1 priority is to their shareholders, not their customers.
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#40
There is an aftermarket Mirrorlink unit which is available, but don't ask me how good it is or how it works exactly, as far as I can tell it puts your phone's screen on the touchscreen, but since there is no swiping on the IAM2.1 touchscreen, it doesn't work exactly the same as the phone screen.
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jaguny (05-15-2018)