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Nice you took the conversion detail to a new level. I do not recall seeing wear sensors at all four positions. Need to review that bit. Interesting on change over vin for rear brake module. My vin is k22185 and seems to be a break point for many changes on the f type in 2016 period. Again thank you for excellent research! And, welcome to the CCluB
thanks! The remaining open items are not a big deal. Mechanically the CCBs are working just fine. I would like to at least figure out how to configure CCB in SDD.
For regular street use I haven't noticed much performance improvement over the super performance brakes. The best part so far is no brake dust. Pedal response is slightly different, seems like the CCBs need a little bit more pressure. It feels like initial pedal travel is deeper. I'm wondering if this is why Electronic Brake Prefill is useful. I'm eager to try them on the track. The super performance brakes work really well, but there was some fade after a few hot laps at Sonoma. Nothing alarming, just needed to be careful to not brake too late at turns 7 and 11. Love to see how much better the CCBs are.
One other thing I forgot to mention. I believe with CCB vehicles, Jaguar includes a wheel guide tool in the boot somewhere, likely stored with the spare tire mobility kit. I couldn't find the genuine part, so bought a set from Reverse Logic. A pair of the standard length M12x1.5 is perfect. This tool is very useful to guide the wheel when removing and installing, it prevents the wheel from hitting the caliper and rotor. It's not really needed if you can be very careful, but since CCB rotors chip easily, this tool is good insurance.
nice, I want a pair of those for all the reasons you mention!
in fact, I just ordered. thanks so much. I do tire of sweating bullets when removing a wheel.
To do the retrofit on a SVR to carbon-ceramic/Brembo does the rear knuckle/hub need to be changed to part number T2R21965 (R)/T2R22288 (L) or can mounting brackets be used as shown above in this thread?
Is the adapter required on a svr to change over to carbon ceramic? The picture is of one for sale.
99.9999% yes
jaguar uses same rear hub. The bracket mounts to your rear hub in mounting holes that retain your current caliper. The Brembo's then mount to the aluminum bracket and the electronic parking brake calipers also mount to the bracket.
Do not buy the brake set up until you know you have the mounting bracket. I did and got pretty nervous as it took quite a while to find the brackets. A couple years back Jaguar did not provide a part number for them so it took a bit. if you run into a snag, pm me and I can give you contact I used in England that secured a set for me.
Currently selling my f-type and torn as to whether to remove CCB units to move to another car or leave alone. Not so much the cost, just the pain I went through to put all the parts together.
It is worth noting that the price for those two on eBay is retail with VAT in the UK, and they are currently on 4 day lead time from jag but otherwise available to order.
If you are buying for export from the EU then it makes sense to buy from an official parts dealer as they can export to you without the VAT at £266 each side.
I thought it might be interesting to compare the SVR rear knuckles with those from the other cars.
This drawing is of the standard knuckle pictured throughout this thread:
The holes marked 8 are the caliper mounting holes.
The SVR knuckle is pictured here:
The holes marked 2 are for the EPB caliper.
The holes marked 5 are for the normal brake calipers.
The holes marked 4 are for the CCB calipers
The SVR drawing appears to be the RH and the original the LH but the suspension mounting appears to be the same between them when referring to the wider rear drawings.
It's hard for me to work out orientations from the various photos in this thread to see if the SVR ones eliminate the need for the bolt-on adaptor bracket, so hopefully someone who has retrofitted them can come in with their feedback there? I'm pretty sure, but I'm only going by the pictures.
Jag supply the rear hubs with the knuckles as standard for service, so these should be readily available parts. (As mentioned above, both sides are showing as 4 days to stock, but you need to raise an order to get a firm ship date.) T2R21965 (R) and T2R22288 (L) as indicated above.
I've attached a PDF of the service instructions for replacing the SVR rear knuckle as it has some good diagrams of various steps.
Also one each covering the front and rear CCB overviews. Interestingly the rear brake disc overview shows the adaptor bracket still, but from the shape of it I think the SVR knuckles eliminate the need for them.
Last edited by xdave; 12-10-2018 at 02:35 PM.
Reason: forgot attachments
There is a separate section in the parts catalogue for "11874 BRAKE DISC AND CALIPER-REAR-CARBON CERAMIC-SVR (engine power 575PS/680NM)(Carbon ceramic)((V)TOK47319)" and in there the drawing shows the park brake caliper bolted directly to the knuckle, with no additional bracket.
BUT BE CAREFUL because when you look in the section for the rear hubs, there are two versions for the SVR, one for steel brakes, one for carbon ceramics!
EDIT There are also different versions up to VIN K47319 and from VIN K47320 but when you look closer they are the same part number from either side of the VIN range.
So actually it's just two versions, one for Steel brakes, one for Carbon Ceramics, you want to retrofit CCB's to an SVR, you will need to change the rear knuckles...
This is very interesting and useful information, but confusing by Jaguar design. Thanks everyone.
I made an offer on a 2018 SVR without the ceramic/brembo brakes. Only $2,500 stands between my offer and the counter offer from the dealer. I've been looking for a low mileage convertible V8 F type with the carbon ceramic brake package for a long time and have not been able to find one in Canada. Buying and importing cars to Canada from the US is not feasible these days because of the strong US dollar and weak Canadian dollar (a 33% loss in purchasing power since 2014). Consequently, I thought I would get a 2018 SVR convertible at a relatively good price and convert it to carbon ceramic brakes. The large yellow brembo calibers and large carbon ceramic rotors shout something special is going on. I also like the LED headlights and new seats of the 2018 model.
I'm not sure if I want to take this project on and I don't know if I will be completely happy with the SVR without the carbon ceramic brake package. However, I do know, I will not be unhappy knowing that my bank account is not $130,000 (cost of SVR plus infamous 15% Canadian sales tax) less.
For those interested in knowing, I read Jaguar is rolling out some of the SVR enhancements to the R for 2019. The R will adopt SVR knuckles and other performance enhancements from the SVR making the SVR less special.
99.9999% yes
jaguar uses same rear hub. The bracket mounts to your rear hub in mounting holes that retain your current caliper. The Brembo's then mount to the aluminum bracket and the electronic parking brake calipers also mount to the bracket.
Do not buy the brake set up until you know you have the mounting bracket. I did and got pretty nervous as it took quite a while to find the brackets. A couple years back Jaguar did not provide a part number for them so it took a bit. if you run into a snag, pm me and I can give you contact I used in England that secured a set for me.
Currently selling my f-type and torn as to whether to remove CCB units to move to another car or leave alone. Not so much the cost, just the pain I went through to put all the parts together.
Stwsam, why are you selling after doing all this work? Are you buying another F Type?
For those interested in knowing, I read Jaguar is rolling out some of the SVR enhancements to the R for 2019. The R will adopt SVR knuckles and other performance enhancements from the SVR making the SVR less special.
The SVR will always be special. What's happening is that the R becomes a bit more special, too.