Hello everybody,

I am looking to buy from the US or Canada a used F-Type R (AWD) Coupe 2016 or 2017 Dark Blue or Grey with Carbon Ceramic Brakes, but it looks like it is almost impossible!
Any ideas?

Thanks
Nikos

 

 

 

Thank you for your quick reply,
I have already asked a few car dealers in the USA as well as a brake specialist in Doha, non of them would make this modification...
Any suggestion? Any information?
Thanks

 

I am aware about that
I don't need to say more, the guy is not a serious seller...

 

I have already contacted a few Jaguar dealers in the US as well as a brake specialist in Doha...
Non of them would perform this modification...
Any suggestion? Any Information?
Thanks

 

 

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Rule of thumb is that Salvage is worth 50% of non-salvaged if the car is in PERFECT, completely repaired condition & even then unloading it somewhere later down the line may well be difficult if not impossible for similar $s. Salvage titles are really only viable IF the car becomes a TRUE collectable where salvage doesn't matter (like a '67 big block Vette).

Going back to the OPs' question on ceramic brakes. It's just a part swap so I would have to ask the shops why they can't perform the work. Another option to consider are the after-market, lighter-weight rotors that others are buying on this and other forums.

One note on the ceramic option is that you MUST use a different wheel than is standard due to the larger brake caliper size so no, you can't simply slap the ceramics on just "any" F-Type. You also need the correct wheels that allow clearance. Perhaps that was their concern?

 

a branded title and salvage title or completely different. A salvage title is a reconstructed car. A branded title is typically a manufacturer buy back. I had such a range rover. Land rover could not get an air bag fault out of the car. To avoid a lemon penalty, they bought the car back from customer. they then repair the car and offer it to dealer only auction. Only a oem dealer can purchase the car. Then the car becomes an open market sale. You will definitely get a serious devaluation on the vehicle, but not 50%. More like 20 to 25%. Some cars definitely less if in high demand. So, for a customer that wants a car to own and drive, not flip through, a branded title car is a very good buy. For a customer that is in out of cars frequently, bad idea. Youwill get burned. I also know this.

 

Not certain if your distinction is aligned with locale but in the USA a "branded" car can be any of the above, salvage is also listed as "branded" in the auctions. Perhaps that is different for you all across the pond.

In the USA lemon buy backs can be good (like your experience) or very, very, very bad as even the manufacturer often cannot find and fix the problem. THAT is why they are "branded". It is because they CAN NOT have ANY warranty on them what-so-ever due to their prior history. Sounds like you "lucked out" and got one they were actually able to fix but the statement that they are only worth 50% of retail is valid for ALL "branded" cars for those reasons (no warranty can be extended and the fault may continue without proper resolution). When you buy "branded" you are taking a HUGE chance and basically are buying AS-IS, WHERE IS with ZERO, nada, zippo warranty and therefore zero, nada, zippo recourse for repairs. Essentially, you are on your own to figure out and fix any problems that may arise (or pay someone else to fix them)

Here is the definition of various "branded titles" and applicable quote from this link
"While different states have different definitions for what constitutes a lemon, this designation typically has a common thread: It aims to identify cars with defects that can make the vehicle unsafe to drive. If a consumer has used lemon law protections to return a car, this brand will be reflected on the vehicle’s title if it is sold as a used car at a future date. This brand – known as a lemon title brand"
https://www.carfax.com/press/resources/branded-title

 

I had the same issue. A really nice R with CCB's came up in Florida. Its Red with Red interior. Not my first choice but really nice! Had to have the brakes so I jumped on it. They are fantastic. Little late in wet weather but nothing to be concerned about. I would do it again without any hesitation.

 

Thanks for your interest but I am looking for a model 2016 or later as I want it with AWD (and preferably Dark Blue or Grey)

 

Yeap!! It looks fantastic especially with the storm rims!!
I only can see advantages rather than disadvantages having CCB.
I will definitely go for this, but I live abroad so I cannot "jump on it", it may take even a month before I reach USA...

 

By any change, if you see an F-type R with CCB on sale, let me know buddy!

 

I am aware about the different rims that I have to buy. I don't think that this is the reason they don't do it!
I asked the Jaguar (in Atlanta) and they just said "No, we don't do it"...
As far as the brake specialist in Doha, he is still waiting information from... I don't know where, to calculate the cost...

 

 

I recall a post of a member that was fearful of his F type with CCB, wanted to take them off his car since he didn't want to pay $8,000 for a basic brake job. I've seen other posts regarding ceramic brakes squealing, and then there is the issue that unless you plan to track the car extensively, its not clear if they are needed. Especially since we now have the Wortec rotor option that gives you the weight savings at 1/3 the cost. That and the limited wheel choices and I can think of some reasons why I wouldn't want them.

 

I don't think the parts are easy to order from the factory as an after market component so it's not surprising that you are finding difficulty getting any dealerships to agree to dig them out for you. Now, if you were standing in the parts department with your gray F-Type parked in their service bay, then you might get better response but even then, the price would be 100% RETAIL and the service labor would also be expensive to the point of cost-prohibitive. In short, even if you HAD the car the dealership would probably still want an additional $23K USD to (1) Find the parts & (2) install them.
- Others here have given good guidance to simply look at the resale market for used parts (eBay, Co-Part, Craigslist, etc) and then simply hire some independent service shop to perform the swap for you. It will still probably be $15K as the parts are something like $12K used from those sources.

 

I have no other option apart from searching it!...