View Poll Results: How does your clutch work on maximum acceleration during a 1st to 2nd gear upshift.
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Clutch Satisfaction
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Uncle Fishbits (07-15-2016)
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#265
Don't want to cause you any unnecessary anxiety, but my clutch was just replaced, my VIN is 28089 -- your vehicle would have been 3 before mine. We were all part of the first production run - the question I have is when they produced the MT again and if that second production run was/is affected.
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#266
Don't want to cause you any unnecessary anxiety, but my clutch was just replaced, my VIN is 28089 -- your vehicle would have been 3 before mine. We were all part of the first production run - the question I have is when they produced the MT again and if that second production run was/is affected.
Thanks for the FYI and I have sent you a PM.
Yes, would be very interesting to know if the 2nd production run was / is affected.
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No, the problem clutch and flywheel were the same in both, and the new replacement is the same in both. There would be no reason to use a different clutch since they are identical engines, w/ the V6S having only 7 ft. lbs. more max torque than the base.
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You might be getting ahead of yourself on this one. Even in prehistoric times we wouldn't change the gear lube for at least 30-50k. I'll just follow the recommended schedule.
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#273
So... two questions.
1) Do you have your foot on the clutch while reversing, or are you reversing with it completely off the clutch, and in gear. I would either stall or go 40 mph if I let my foot off the clutch, and searching the internet, it seems most people ride it, and for whatever reason it doesn't hurt the clutch the way riding it in forward gears might. Is that true? What do you think?
2) I am pretty sure this thread sums up what happened:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...imiter-160064/
It happened when the clutch would slip, prior to them replacing it. But I was passing an RV and motorhome in Montana (80-85mph speed limits? Yes please), and I admit, I learned a lot about the tiny issues with my car... one is that the cup holders can DRAW BLOOD when shifting fast. Watch out for straws. 2nd is that my wife thought she had an armrest. Sorry... not to be rude, but my arm needs that whole thing. I am 6'6", and shifting takes the whole thing. I started running into shifting problems, like 4th to 5th, or 6th back down to 5th, because there's not enough space in the car to comfortably get my whole arm up, and back, enough to shift the long shifter....
So I am shifting fast, from 3rd to 4th (I think), and somehow end up at 90 in about 2 seconds, and don't get into 5th or 6th fast enough. I am passing these RV's, and it basically sounds like my engine explodes, and I can't catch a gear to save my life (for about 1.5seconds), and think I will have to break and go back behind these trucks.
So basically, the engine goes "boom", the RPM needle goes to the redline, I can't catch a gear for a few seconds.. then slow down, get back into 4th, and am back into the pass and end up okay.
This is the POOREST explanation ever... but what happened? Was that the rev limiter, the clutch slipping, all of it, or something else?
1) Do you have your foot on the clutch while reversing, or are you reversing with it completely off the clutch, and in gear. I would either stall or go 40 mph if I let my foot off the clutch, and searching the internet, it seems most people ride it, and for whatever reason it doesn't hurt the clutch the way riding it in forward gears might. Is that true? What do you think?
2) I am pretty sure this thread sums up what happened:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...imiter-160064/
It happened when the clutch would slip, prior to them replacing it. But I was passing an RV and motorhome in Montana (80-85mph speed limits? Yes please), and I admit, I learned a lot about the tiny issues with my car... one is that the cup holders can DRAW BLOOD when shifting fast. Watch out for straws. 2nd is that my wife thought she had an armrest. Sorry... not to be rude, but my arm needs that whole thing. I am 6'6", and shifting takes the whole thing. I started running into shifting problems, like 4th to 5th, or 6th back down to 5th, because there's not enough space in the car to comfortably get my whole arm up, and back, enough to shift the long shifter....
So I am shifting fast, from 3rd to 4th (I think), and somehow end up at 90 in about 2 seconds, and don't get into 5th or 6th fast enough. I am passing these RV's, and it basically sounds like my engine explodes, and I can't catch a gear to save my life (for about 1.5seconds), and think I will have to break and go back behind these trucks.
So basically, the engine goes "boom", the RPM needle goes to the redline, I can't catch a gear for a few seconds.. then slow down, get back into 4th, and am back into the pass and end up okay.
This is the POOREST explanation ever... but what happened? Was that the rev limiter, the clutch slipping, all of it, or something else?
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1. Never really thought about it, but I always ride the clutch in reverse for typical situations. I suppose I'd fully engage the clutch if I was touring the country in reverse.
2. When the clutch slipped, the engine went straight to redline. If you depress the clutch just as you hit the redline, you'll get a huge backfire with these cars. After you missed the shift, the engine and transmission (tail shaft) speeds weren't sufficiently close for the synchronizers to allow you to engage any gear. With the new clutch, you are unlikely to encounter this issue again.
2. When the clutch slipped, the engine went straight to redline. If you depress the clutch just as you hit the redline, you'll get a huge backfire with these cars. After you missed the shift, the engine and transmission (tail shaft) speeds weren't sufficiently close for the synchronizers to allow you to engage any gear. With the new clutch, you are unlikely to encounter this issue again.
Last edited by Unhingd; 08-12-2016 at 05:57 AM.
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#276
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#277
You did confuse me, and I almost killed my car into a pillar. LOL I was trying to see what it would be like to not modulate that speed and almost rocketed back. All's well of course, and I had control.... but I do like tactical parking, aka backing in, aka bank robber parking. It's how I park anywhere I go, and always concerned about the clutch. But most forums seem to think the reverse riding of the clutch isn't a big deal and just normal wear and tear.
#278
1. Never really thought about it, but I always ride the clutch in reverse for typical situations. I suppose I'd fully engage the clutch if I was touring the country in reverse.
2. When the clutch slipped, the engine went straight to redline. If you depress the clutch just as you hit the redline, you'll get a huge backfire with these cars. After you missed the shift, the engine and transmission (tail shaft) speeds weren't sufficiently close for the synchronizers to allow you to engage any gear. With the new clutch, you are unlikely to encounter this issue again.
2. When the clutch slipped, the engine went straight to redline. If you depress the clutch just as you hit the redline, you'll get a huge backfire with these cars. After you missed the shift, the engine and transmission (tail shaft) speeds weren't sufficiently close for the synchronizers to allow you to engage any gear. With the new clutch, you are unlikely to encounter this issue again.
I notice that the sensitivity I have on the clutch differs massively depending on the shoe I wear. Like big time.
#279
I really want to thank Unhingd for his thorough explanations. Bought a new 2016 speed in August. I was easily able to demonstrate the slippage which severe when pounded. Printed out all Unhinges reports and took to my dealer. They gave me the right tech, we went for a 1/2 mile drive, smoked the clutch and this week the car is in for new clutch flywheel etc.
All the parts ordered for my car match the numbers Unhingd posted as the good parts. This forum has been very very valuable.!
BTW, the 6speed car is an absolute thrill to drive and I am so glad I stayed with my choice versus the auto. Auto is great-great but the 6speed is so much more drive-able for an old fart like me!!
All the parts ordered for my car match the numbers Unhingd posted as the good parts. This forum has been very very valuable.!
BTW, the 6speed car is an absolute thrill to drive and I am so glad I stayed with my choice versus the auto. Auto is great-great but the 6speed is so much more drive-able for an old fart like me!!
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