View Poll Results: How does your clutch work on maximum acceleration during a 1st to 2nd gear upshift.
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Clutch Satisfaction
#521
Yup. Just got a 2017 yesterday. And I just learned allllll about this! Dang. I was trying to drive it like one of the many Mustangs I've had and yeah....that's not happening. Gotta granny shift. LEt the stupid slow release valve thing do it and a allow the pressure plate to clamp down on the clutch and then I can stamp it. But yeah.....that's pretty lame. Make's me look like a noob. I can drive this sports car hard. Only has 18K miles. At first I thought jeez. Person who owned this before me can't drive stick for shyt! haha. I'm looking for a clutch kit to get this thing swapped out and I found your tips, Unhingd, for drilling/pulling out that valve thing very helpful and will do that when I pull the tranny.
#522
Yup. Just got a 2017 yesterday. And I just learned allllll about this! Dang. I was trying to drive it like one of the many Mustangs I've had and yeah....that's not happening. Gotta granny shift. LEt the stupid slow release valve thing do it and a allow the pressure plate to clamp down on the clutch and then I can stamp it. But yeah.....that's pretty lame. Make's me look like a noob. I can drive this sports car hard. Only has 18K miles. At first I thought jeez. Person who owned this before me can't drive stick for shyt! haha. I'm looking for a clutch kit to get this thing swapped out and I found your tips, Unhingd, for drilling/pulling out that valve thing very helpful and will do that when I pull the tranny.
I almost always drive in TracDSC mode. Full DSC either cuts power or uses rear brakes when slippage is detected and I'm not keen on that. I do drive with some mechanical sympathy for the clutch and gearbox, and am generally easy on them and not so easy on the engine. That is, I generally wait until the clutch is fully engaged before full throttle and I don't slam the shifter between gears. If I were looking to hoon like a kid in a Mustang I'd have bought a Mustang.
#523
@BONESTOCK Congrats on your 2017 manual, I picked my BRG coupe up a year ago, and it has been a great ride so far (except for the slipping clutch).
It sounds like we both have the same situation, a Gen1 Dual Mass Flywheel, and maybe Gen2 friction disk and pressure plate that slips at moderate to high RPM/Torque shifting.
As @lizzardo pointed out, the delay valve is probably not the issue here.
I have also adapted to the same driving style as Steve/Lizzardo mentioned. Tempered and paced to the characteristics of the car's clutch and flywheel.
Clutch Kit:
That being said, you can read up on my quest to develop a single mass flywheel solution with clutch from a Porsche/Audi application that can handle 400 ft lbs.
F-Type Clutch Replacement Options
Update:
This new single mass flywheel will use a flex plate from an F-Type automatic car... as it features the unique Jaguar starter ring gear and tone/timing teeth that the engine needs.
The flywheel will probably be machined from aluminum, with replaceable steel friction surfaces. Count on a healthy weight reduction from stock, and a lower rotational inertia.
The clutch kit (Friction Disk and Pressure Plate) will probably be from a Porsche 996-987 application and will be a simple clutch, NOT an auto adjusting clutch.
The T/O bearing will be the stock Jaguar part number, and the bolts for flywheel and pressure plate will also be stock Jaguar.
Initial price estimates point to less than $2500 for the whole kit.
Dynamic Stability Control Settings:
I find that the DSC ON mode is fine for around town driving (and for snow/rain/mud season here in Vermont).
I like the TracDSC mode, especially for track days, as it allows for some amount of "play" without risking total loss of grip.
The DSC OFF mode allows me to be silly and spin the car at Autocross events.. not my favorite feeling.
Herman
It sounds like we both have the same situation, a Gen1 Dual Mass Flywheel, and maybe Gen2 friction disk and pressure plate that slips at moderate to high RPM/Torque shifting.
As @lizzardo pointed out, the delay valve is probably not the issue here.
I have also adapted to the same driving style as Steve/Lizzardo mentioned. Tempered and paced to the characteristics of the car's clutch and flywheel.
Clutch Kit:
That being said, you can read up on my quest to develop a single mass flywheel solution with clutch from a Porsche/Audi application that can handle 400 ft lbs.
F-Type Clutch Replacement Options
Update:
This new single mass flywheel will use a flex plate from an F-Type automatic car... as it features the unique Jaguar starter ring gear and tone/timing teeth that the engine needs.
The flywheel will probably be machined from aluminum, with replaceable steel friction surfaces. Count on a healthy weight reduction from stock, and a lower rotational inertia.
The clutch kit (Friction Disk and Pressure Plate) will probably be from a Porsche 996-987 application and will be a simple clutch, NOT an auto adjusting clutch.
The T/O bearing will be the stock Jaguar part number, and the bolts for flywheel and pressure plate will also be stock Jaguar.
Initial price estimates point to less than $2500 for the whole kit.
Dynamic Stability Control Settings:
I find that the DSC ON mode is fine for around town driving (and for snow/rain/mud season here in Vermont).
I like the TracDSC mode, especially for track days, as it allows for some amount of "play" without risking total loss of grip.
The DSC OFF mode allows me to be silly and spin the car at Autocross events.. not my favorite feeling.
Herman
Last edited by HermanWiegman; 11-27-2022 at 11:47 AM.
#524
The clutch on my 2017 disintegrated and I got the new gen 2 flywheel and gen 4 clutch installed. As many have noted, shifts much nicer now.
I got the original parts from the dealer and I'm posting pictures of those parts with all the numbers I could find on them. I did not find markings that looked like the T2R... part numbers, but I'm hoping these numbers might be helpful to others trying to figure out what gen parts when into their cars based on comparing VINs and build dates.
Build date 04/2016, VIN ending 38705
I got the original parts from the dealer and I'm posting pictures of those parts with all the numbers I could find on them. I did not find markings that looked like the T2R... part numbers, but I'm hoping these numbers might be helpful to others trying to figure out what gen parts when into their cars based on comparing VINs and build dates.
Build date 04/2016, VIN ending 38705
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HermanWiegman (10-18-2023)
#525
What do I actually replace…!
You are indeed correct. What I at first thought was a CDV issue was really a crappy clutch issue. Disabling the CDV made no discernible improvement. I now have the gen 4 clutch (also my 4th clutch after two gen 1 and one gen 2) with a functional CDV in place that still seems to be working well after 15k miles. When this one wears out, I’ll install the single mass lightened flywheel and stage 2 clutch that Spec built for me.
hi there, I bought this 2015 f type and am going to upgrade to the gen 4 clutch. Could you please tell
me exactly what needs to be bought / replaced… is everything in this kit going to do it?
https://www.prestigecarpartsuk.com/p...xoC_IcQAvD_BwE
#526
hi there, I bought this 2015 f type and am going to upgrade to the gen 4 clutch. Could you please tell
me exactly what needs to be bought / replaced… is everything in this kit going to do it?
https://www.prestigecarpartsuk.com/p...xoC_IcQAvD_BwE
me exactly what needs to be bought / replaced… is everything in this kit going to do it?
https://www.prestigecarpartsuk.com/p...xoC_IcQAvD_BwE
#527
ok that’s interesting, thanks for the info.
Do you have a part number for the flywheel?
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