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My automotive experience is mechanical, not bodywork, but I've seen lots of bodywork over the years. I've also seen many shops over the years, and my visits so far left me with a positive impression.
I think this is generating a lot of attention here because it is significant damage, and we all worry about the consequences of that, given that all-aluminum cars are rare today. I'm willing to let the experts give it a go and see how they do. I don't appreciate it when dilettantes overrule my expert opinions, so am giving them this courtesy.
I haven't signed anything yet, and will be following the work as it progresses. I'll keep the group here posted.
Sounds good. While I'm not a bodyman, I was the autobody "expert" during my years selling automotive and industrial supplies and know a bit about it.....plus my hobby of car collecting and restoration helps. A good shop with skilled tradespersons using quality products alleviates much in the way of concerns. I wouldn't LIKE having a panel splice and certainly it would be a better repair if the whole thing was replaced but hopefully it looks good and lasts as long as you have the car.
Indeed. I got a concussion just from the headrest. I'm glad I got the Performance seats now, because the quality and fit served me well. I've had much worse, so I try to be philosophical about it.
I hope this is at Jag approved shop, it will more expensive since Jag wants all parts replaced not fixed. If Jag shop it lets the dealer sell car as CPO. I think all of this Carfax is over blown, this is not a major accident as far as insurance is concerned. Unless you hire an attorney this car will be repaired, and it has to be to your satisfaction. I had repair done at approved shop and the look is perfect, they had to fight with insurance to get repair to Jag standards.
They have decided the only way to do it properly is to replace the entire rear quarter, which goes all the way to A-pillar and around the door. That means removing the panoramic roof. They are still waiting for parts. From their explanation, the description and drawing do not always match the reality of what arrives. There may still be some adjustments.
Steve I think you are correct in having confidence in a Jaguar approved shop. After all there are going to be many cars that will be damaged in collisions and the factory and dealers have to have a good procedure to repair the cars properly. Because of the high value of the car, expensive repairs are warranted. Like many medical procedures they are unpleasant to contemplate and to witness. Still my best wishes for a full recovery go out to you. The important thing is that you were not seriously injured. Take care of yourself and allow yourself the time to heal.
Jag approved shop only way to go. If you ever trade Jag dealer can offer as CPO! Most approved are approved by multi high end manufactures. Jag tells them to replace not repair!
Wow . . . I don't think many people would be very happy to hear that a JLR dealer could CPO a heavily damaged car even if it was repaired at a JLR-approved collision repair shop.
Are you sure about that? A nose replacement or repaint is one thing, but it would shock me if they qualify cars w/ major damage.
I expect the repairs to be done to the level that the car could be CPO. It's a new car and if it cannot be restored to its previous condition it should be replaced. I am keeping faith in the shop based on my impressions, their reputation, and their JLR certification.
I am confident that it's possible to repair it to good as new condition. If I were in your shoes, I'd keep the faith and be confident that it could be fixed properly.
I wasn't voicing doubts about that part, but just surprised that JLR would CPO such a car. Wouldn't they have to disclose the damage?
I'm not sure what needs to be disclosed. Engine replacement? Transmission? Clutch? (not that the last one would ever happen)
I also don't know what will be reported to any agency like CarFax. If a car is declared a total loss or if it is subject to buyback through Lemon Laws, it would show on a VIN check. Repairs done in such a way that the car is restored to factory specifications ... shouldn't?
From my experience it ends up in CARFAX if the accident is reported to law enforcement and/or an insurance company. Forevermore, you will need to explain the damage and repair when selling or trading the vehicle.
I expect the repairs to be done to the level that the car could be CPO. It's a new car and if it cannot be restored to its previous condition it should be replaced. I am keeping faith in the shop based on my impressions, their reputation, and their JLR certification.
When it's done, take a paint thickness meter to the parts of the car that haven't been repaired and the parts that have. Likely the original parts will have a uniform thickness while the repaired area will not (robots vs. humans). Any decent used car appraiser will do that unless he spots the repair anyway.
If you want to be philosophical about this consider it this way. If your house is damaged due to fire or a tree falling on it, an act of nature, or through extensive termite damage, you expect that it can be repaired to like new condition. Now in this situation the house is usually repaired with new materials and construction which is usually an upgrade to the condition that it was in. My parent's home was damaged by fire when I was growing up and we were happy to have it rebuilt. I have a property that had several walls removed due to severe dry rot. It was repaired better than new. Steve's car being new, didn't need any restoration so there isn't any upside. While this is an expensive and extensive repair the damage didn't appear to effect the structural integrity of the vehicle. Not to minimize Steve's loss, but any vehicle that sustained that type of damage could still be operated after the rear lights were replaced. Of course I wouldn't expect this car to remain unrepaired. What is the situation with a diminished value claim?
I recently took factory tour and was thinking about this thread...
Turns out, a lot of drainage tubing and also nearly all noise cancellation plastic parts that go into panels are attached by heat-expanding epoxy. Also, nearly all panel construction is riveted and epoxied together. They do very little welding during construction.
At the front of the car, the nose section of the frame is designed to unbolt for ease of replacement. Didn't get a chance to take a closer look at the tail. The engineer said that F-type designed that if front collision is up to 15mph, you can just unbolt and replace parts without doing any welds.
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