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Old 07-06-2015, 08:49 PM
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I have been waiting to see if there will be any news from Jaguar with regards to adding a manual transmission for the R Coupe. Unfortunately, the most recent response from Jaguar USA was "no current plan to introduce". So, this leaves me in a dilemma - buy an automatic (certainly not the end of the world) now or wait for the 2017 model announcements. Given the scope of new items added to the 2016's, I am very reluctant to buy now in case they have more new goodies planned. Has anyone heard about any pending changes/upgrades/enhancements, etc. for 2017 R Coupes?
 
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Originally Posted by Robgodius
I have been waiting to see if there will be any news from Jaguar with regards to adding a manual transmission for the R Coupe. Unfortunately, the most recent response from Jaguar USA was "no current plan to introduce". So, this leaves me in a dilemma - buy an automatic (certainly not the end of the world) now or wait for the 2017 model announcements. Given the scope of new items added to the 2016's, I am very reluctant to buy now in case they have more new goodies planned. Has anyone heard about any pending changes/upgrades/enhancements, etc. for 2017 R Coupes?
It was my understanding that they would not be introducing MT for the R models. I think the excuse was something about too much torque. But who knows if that stance will change.
 
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I heard rumors of a coupe in 2014 and it happened for 2015. I heard rumors of a manual transmission in 2015 and it happened for 2016. I heard rumors that the V8 will NOT be getting a manual transmission.


Take that for whatever you think it's worth.


Like Merlin, I also heard that the V8's torque was beyond what the transmission was capable of handling reliably.
 
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Until recently, the only manuals capable of handle an R engine were the Tremecs (5 or 6 speed). Jag has a long history with ZF so they are unlikely to jump manufacturers. The rating of the 6-speed currently in use (s6-45) is barely enough to handle the torque of the V6S. Also, until recently, the S6-53 was the strongest manual that ZF has made, but still inadequate for the R. Recently, however, ZF began producing the S6-650 for the F-series Ford trucks that can handle 520 lb-ft of torque. Me thinks it should be compatible with 4wd. Two years ago, the official word was that they had no plans to produce any stick shift. It is possible the R might get a MT, but unlikely before the 2018 model year.
 
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great info on the manual transmission ihoboy.
 
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:55 PM
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Now you got me thinking, what will be new for 2017? I'm thinking:

- optional retractable sunroof for the coupe
- minor hp/torque upgrade (on the V6, V8 might remain the same)
- more upgrades in the infotainment systems, especially integration with smartphones
- minor cosmetic tweaks here and there

I don't see any "big" changes like

- PDK/dual clutch transmision
- a 4 wheel steering system
- ride height suspension
- targa/T-top style model

what do you guys think will be new in 2017?
 
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Cooled seats. They had them in the Xkr.
 
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:33 PM
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I think that the SVR will be the big thing for 2017. I don't think any major additions or changes will come for the existing models.
 
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:35 PM
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Cooled seats. They had them in the Xkr.
yes, ventilated seats would be cool
my previous car had them, missed it on hot days!
 
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:28 PM
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V6 is done! Being replaced by inline 6. All over the internet auto sites. On all Jag models!
 
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Originally Posted by shift
yes, ventilated seats would be cool
my previous car had them, missed it on hot days!
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Old 07-06-2015, 11:43 PM
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Dealer told me 2016 could be a longer cycle, so the other Jaguar models can catch up. So 2017's may not be released until later in 2016. 2017 news might not be out till next year, and I have heard the same no manual for the R. Either way could be a long wait for the 2017.
 
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I really wanted a manual when I bought my v8s, but of course it was not an option. Having owned it for a year, I am not interested in the lower horsepower version, even with a manual. I think a v8 manual version will be offered at some point in time, maybe six or seven years into the product cycle. Jaguar has a history of offering special versions to prolong a model's viability in the marketplace.
 
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Originally Posted by bjg625
V6 is done! Being replaced by inline 6. All over the internet auto sites. On all Jag models!
+1. And the Europeans will get a 4 banger.
 
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:19 AM
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Maybe a dual clutch automatic manual down the road too. You'd think if Honda has one, that Jaguar could too.
 
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The nice thing is this will probably be a 7-10 year product cycle so we will see lots of updates in the coming years and the F type will only get better.
 
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600 hp SVR
HUD (as offered in XE and second gen XF)
 
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Old 07-07-2015, 01:47 PM
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Thanks for all the good information. I too think the big changes were from the '15's to the '16's. I just wanted to see if there was anything big on the grapevine so I did not regret waiting the extra time to get something special. Now time to "build my F-Type"!
 
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-retractable roof mechanism will lower the headroom height which is already cramped also no place for it to go with rear hatch
-cooled seats - I was astounded this wasn't an option
-new touch screen info system to be on the soon to be released 4 door model
-having owned pdk I cant see that there's a need, the zf is that good
 
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Old 07-08-2015, 03:05 PM
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Astounded? Seriously? Aircon does a great job, but picking a seat material that doesn't get hot enough to fry eggs on is so much easier. Plus, when the salesman tries to sell you a feature rather than a benefit you can have no end of fun.

Pro-Tip: Car Sales Executives do not seem to have even basic training in Negotiation. They appear to be used to dealing with clients who are grateful to hand over their money as a validation of how successful they are in exchange for some sucking up.
 


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