Does this seem like the F-Type is being devalued? (diesel 4)
#21
Cambo,
I was just clowning around with my previous post, but then decided to look into it. Not such a stupid idea:
"Introducing the R10 (Audi)
The 2005 season would be the R8's last full competition docket, supplanted by the car that stood endurance racing on its ear. The new Audi prototype was the R10, a V12, twin-turbocharged, direct-injected diesel. For the 2005 and 2006 seasons, the 5.5-liter engine produced 650 hp and 737 lb-ft of torque.
The results were almost immediate, proving that diesels could win at Le Mans. Audi pilot Rinaldo Capello put an R10 on the 2006 Le Mans pole with a 3:31.211 lap at 144.57 mph. While lap speeds for the diesels weren't considerably faster than those of the gasoline-powered cars they replaced, the diesels could go longer between fuel stops.
The R10 went on to win the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 2006, 2007 and 2008."
Diesels From Audi and Peugeot at Le Mans - Why Audi and Peugeot Diesels Rule the Le Mans Raceway
Needless to say, though, a V-12 is a far cry from an I-4.
I was just clowning around with my previous post, but then decided to look into it. Not such a stupid idea:
"Introducing the R10 (Audi)
The 2005 season would be the R8's last full competition docket, supplanted by the car that stood endurance racing on its ear. The new Audi prototype was the R10, a V12, twin-turbocharged, direct-injected diesel. For the 2005 and 2006 seasons, the 5.5-liter engine produced 650 hp and 737 lb-ft of torque.
The results were almost immediate, proving that diesels could win at Le Mans. Audi pilot Rinaldo Capello put an R10 on the 2006 Le Mans pole with a 3:31.211 lap at 144.57 mph. While lap speeds for the diesels weren't considerably faster than those of the gasoline-powered cars they replaced, the diesels could go longer between fuel stops.
The R10 went on to win the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 2006, 2007 and 2008."
Diesels From Audi and Peugeot at Le Mans - Why Audi and Peugeot Diesels Rule the Le Mans Raceway
Needless to say, though, a V-12 is a far cry from an I-4.
#22
Sure there are many fantastic diesel engines out there. Like the 4.4L TDV8 in the Range Rovers, or even the older 3.6L version. The current 3.0L V6's are pretty good too.
But a 2.0L four is a different story... It's fine for the little SUV's and sedans that have no pretence of being "sporty", but in an F-Type, just no...
But a 2.0L four is a different story... It's fine for the little SUV's and sedans that have no pretence of being "sporty", but in an F-Type, just no...
#23
Diesel F-Type
I just don't think that the sound/growl, or lack of, will suit the car at all, irrespective of whether it is an Oil burner or a Petrol.
Strap two, four cylinder engines together, then the sound will match the image!
Does any Petrolhead sit and watch Formula E and get excited????
Just wrong.
Strap two, four cylinder engines together, then the sound will match the image!
Does any Petrolhead sit and watch Formula E and get excited????
Just wrong.
Last edited by Tel; 11-09-2016 at 06:18 PM.
#24
[QUOTE=Cambo;1566318]Is everyone missing the DIESEL aspect here?
Do Americans know what DIESEL is? Maybe not since you don't have diesel cars in North America, only trucks.
Au contraire mon ami. VW has done pretty well with diesels here (OK so they pollute a bit more than they should). My daughter has a Jetta TDI and it is a damn fine car. You can count on 40+mpg on the highway with a hefty amount of torque.
Do Americans know what DIESEL is? Maybe not since you don't have diesel cars in North America, only trucks.
Au contraire mon ami. VW has done pretty well with diesels here (OK so they pollute a bit more than they should). My daughter has a Jetta TDI and it is a damn fine car. You can count on 40+mpg on the highway with a hefty amount of torque.
#26
The 3.0TTD would be a sweet engine for a bigger GT like the XK. But it doesnt sound like a diesel. I dont know that it would be any good for the f type because the off the line response isnt so good and the extra weight could knock around the handling.
The Jag 4 pot diesels sound very agricultural. The kind of thing where you hear very prominent clatter if you are idling next to a solid wall. I suspect that if they were to sell the f type as a diesel, it would be for the UK market which I believe is more "why on earth would you buy petrol when you can have diesel?" rather than vice versa.
Personally I'd rather electric with no sound than a car with diesel sound. And I'm a nut for engine noise.
The Jag 4 pot diesels sound very agricultural. The kind of thing where you hear very prominent clatter if you are idling next to a solid wall. I suspect that if they were to sell the f type as a diesel, it would be for the UK market which I believe is more "why on earth would you buy petrol when you can have diesel?" rather than vice versa.
Personally I'd rather electric with no sound than a car with diesel sound. And I'm a nut for engine noise.
#27
The plain fact is that a lot of markets require cars with low fuel consumption. In the US you have the Corporate Average Fuel Consumption test, so producing a powerful diesel drops this down. Also there are a lot of people who only want to swan around in the car, and don't want to dump rubber every time they go out.
#28
The plain fact is that a lot of markets require cars with low fuel consumption. In the US you have the Corporate Average Fuel Consumption test, so producing a powerful diesel drops this down. Also there are a lot of people who only want to swan around in the car, and don't want to dump rubber every time they go out.
#29
I'll stick to a Diesel in my work van not my sports car.
If Jag is going the route of diesels or I4s for the F-type it is a good thing for the current crop of owners resale wise.
I wonder how long the big V8 Jags, Hellcats, Vets, etc can go on without gov eventually doing a 1970 and ruining all the fun. Screw the 60s muscle car era, the real one started around 2014 (and that is coming from an AARP).
If Jag is going the route of diesels or I4s for the F-type it is a good thing for the current crop of owners resale wise.
I wonder how long the big V8 Jags, Hellcats, Vets, etc can go on without gov eventually doing a 1970 and ruining all the fun. Screw the 60s muscle car era, the real one started around 2014 (and that is coming from an AARP).
#30
#31
Having said that, it's great in my SUV but I wouldn't want it in my sports car. It just doesn't belong there, IMHO. It doesn't have the same "feel" as a gas engine.
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