F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Drove AWD and RWD back-to-back

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 06-10-2015, 04:39 PM
Stohlen's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 2,032
Received 642 Likes on 411 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Arne
If you don't care so much about any of the above, but where top priority is to have fun (on track as well) = rwd.
This.... this right here is my issue. This is why i keep saying the whole thing is opinion based. 90% of people on this site say the same thing... "Well $hit... if you want to have fun in this car you have to get the RWD version. No one ever had more fun in an AWD car than a RWD car!"

Overpowered RWD cars aren't fun to me. I had an overpowered 135i and it was simply boring by comparison. I have no interest in drifting, and couldn't give a damn about lap times. I love that feeling when you get thrown back into your seat from the torque and being able to use all the power all the time. You can't use 550 hp in the RWD F Type on the street until you're doing well over the speed limit and that's a significant negative to me. I have much more fun using all that power in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear through the twisties and flooring it away from a stoplight in my AWD car than I ever could in a RWD equivalent. Sure I rarely hit over 75 mph, but i'm enjoying the hell out of it.

This is my opinion, and others (obviously few of them) share it too... so don't just say the only way someone can have fun is in a RWD car. It goes both ways and there will never be a right answer so we should just all stop debating it. Lap times are one thing, but what's more fun is an irrelevant topic.
 
The following 3 users liked this post by Stohlen:
Merlin (06-10-2015), Mulmur (06-10-2015), TXJagR (06-10-2015)
  #22  
Old 06-10-2015, 05:05 PM
Arne's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Oslo, Norway
Posts: 1,100
Received 338 Likes on 213 Posts
Default

I think you did not get the "If you don't care so much of any of the above..."?

Because you certainly do, and there is nothing wrong with that

And I did not intend to say that if you do, you can't have fun.

For me, what is most fun and challenging, is the pure fact that I can't just "plant the right foot" and let the car do the rest.

A car that does not allow me to do that without consequenses, is just what I have been looking for, after 23 years of driving sportsbikes on and of track.

But thats what I find fun. Others will find awd more fun, but for other reasons. That was my point.
 

Last edited by Arne; 06-10-2015 at 05:14 PM.
The following users liked this post:
RobsnTX (06-15-2015)
  #23  
Old 06-10-2015, 05:40 PM
Stohlen's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 2,032
Received 642 Likes on 411 Posts
Default

Here, i'll fix it for you then...

Originally Posted by Arne
This is totally dependig on everyones interest, preference and use of car.

If you want to be fastest on the track and want to have fun, the awd is probabely the way to go.

If you are going to use it in winter conditions and want to have fun = awd.

If you are going to use it as an everyday car in any kind of conditions and think that 550hp/680Nm is a bit too much/to risky and want to have fun = awd.

If you don't care so much about any of the above, but where top priority is to have fun (on track as well) = rwd.

But no-one can say what is best/preferable for others. Only you can deceide for youself depending on what YOU want from the car.
I did read the "If you don't care so much of any of the above..." but you clearly insinuated that if all you car about is having fun, you have to get RWD... Get my beef now?
 
  #24  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:15 PM
StealthPilot's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: South east
Posts: 910
Received 147 Likes on 115 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stohlen
Here, i'll fix it for you then...



I did read the "If you don't care so much of any of the above..." but you clearly insinuated that if all you car about is having fun, you have to get RWD... Get my beef now?
Why do you care so much about opinions of people on the internet!


 
The following 2 users liked this post by StealthPilot:
DJS (06-11-2015), stingrayghost (06-05-2021)
  #25  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:16 PM
StealthPilot's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: South east
Posts: 910
Received 147 Likes on 115 Posts
Default

^ Oh and that was a rhetorical question. Only an idiot would answer it.
 
  #26  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:34 PM
swajames's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 906
Received 227 Likes on 172 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lhoboy
Again, the car doesn't struggle, it's the driver that struggles. Philosophical question: If the technology is able to wring all uncertainty out of the experience (awd, full DSC, computer shifting, vector braking, etc.), can driving really be considered a sport and is it still appropriate to call it a sports car?


signed,
Ludd Troglodyte
You don't even own the car yet. Maybe you ought to wait until you've got one before telling owners how the car is to drive
 
  #27  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:48 PM
TXJagR's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4,323
Received 295 Likes on 233 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by swajames
You don't even own the car yet. Maybe you ought to wait until you've got one before telling owners how the car is to drive

I think the signature in his post is key....
 
  #28  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:50 PM
TXJagR's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4,323
Received 295 Likes on 233 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by StealthPilot
^ Oh and that was a rhetorical question. Only an idiot would answer it.

Ohhh... I want so much to answer your "question", but you ended your comment with a ! instead of a ? so I guess it's not even a question, now is it?
 
  #29  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:54 PM
shift's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,056
Received 580 Likes on 340 Posts
Default

In many ways, this is like the manual vs auto/dual-clutch debate...each side has pros/cons...end of the day, everybody has fun in the car they decided to buy.
 
The following users liked this post:
Merlin (06-10-2015)
  #30  
Old 06-10-2015, 06:57 PM
Foosh's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 6,177
Received 1,028 Likes on 854 Posts
Default

I gotta defend "lhoboy" (Lance) here--he's no troll. He's a serious car guy with a lot of engineering knowledge and experience with all things automotive. Just because he's decided to wait for a manual F-Type doesn't mean he doesn't have a very good understanding of the F-Type as well as the physics of car handling. The F-Type is bound by the same physical laws as any other car.

And I agree with him that more often than not it's a driver struggling because the majority aren't in tune with the capabilities and limitations of what they're driving.
 

Last edited by Foosh; 06-10-2015 at 07:06 PM.
  #31  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:10 PM
TXJagR's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4,323
Received 295 Likes on 233 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
I gotta defend "lhoboy" (Lance) here--he's no troll. He's a serious car guy with a lot of engineering knowledge and experience with all things automotive. Just because he's decided to wait for a manual F-Type doesn't mean he doesn't have a very good understanding of the F-Type as well as the physics of car handling. The F-Type is bound by the same physical laws as any other car.

And I agree with him that more often than not it's a driver struggling because the majority aren't in tune with the capabilities and limitations of what they're driving.
Just to be clear, for me, it's all in good fun. Everyone has their own opinion on the car, and everyone has their own opinion of fun. I only mentioned troll because of the way he signed his post...

"signed,
Ludd Troglodyte"
 
  #32  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:17 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,939
Received 4,661 Likes on 3,366 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by swajames
You don't even own the car yet. Maybe you ought to wait until you've got one before telling owners how the car is to drive
First sentence was not car specific. Second question ( not a statement) was philosophical bordering on rhetorical.

Only thing based in fact was the signature.

The best part of the F-Type is that they are offering enough variants for all of us to get our groove on.
 

Last edited by Unhingd; 06-10-2015 at 07:20 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Panthro (06-04-2024)
  #33  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:23 PM
Stohlen's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 2,032
Received 642 Likes on 411 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
And I agree with him that more often than not it's a driver struggling because the majority aren't in tune with the capabilities and limitations of what they're driving.
But the whole time the discussion has been about the car putting the power down, not the driver. The car... itself... does struggle because of its physical limitations. Whether it is fun to test your own skills by driving a difficult to drive car or just drive something that is much more easily handled is irrelevant.

My whole complaint has been that only about 50% of people here recognize differences of opinions. Debate the facts not the opinions.
 
The following users liked this post:
Merlin (06-10-2015)
  #34  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:24 PM
TheStig's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Tampa
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 39 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by LynxFX
Still waiting on a back to back hot lap.
stay tuned!



I remember during Motor Trend Laguna Seca driver's car comparison. Randy Pobst said "If you like car control exercises this is your car."(RWD)

Some may find that fun, most will not.

YMMV

MC
 
  #35  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:25 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,939
Received 4,661 Likes on 3,366 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by TXJagR
Just to be clear, for me, it's all in good fun. Everyone has their own opinion on the car, and everyone has their own opinion of fun. I only mentioned troll because of the way he signed his post...

"signed,
Ludd Troglodyte"
Foosh, thanks for coming to my defense.
TXJagR, not to worry, taken in the spirit intended.
 
  #36  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:33 PM
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Maryland, US
Posts: 16,939
Received 4,661 Likes on 3,366 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stohlen
Debate the facts not the opinions.
Another philosophical question: Is a fact debatable?

My apologies! (I've been waiting for my car too long)
 

Last edited by Unhingd; 06-10-2015 at 07:38 PM.
  #37  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:45 PM
TXJagR's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 4,323
Received 295 Likes on 233 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lhoboy

...My apologies! (I've been waiting for my car too long)

It's difficult not to troll at times when waiting months to take delivery...

Heck, sometimes it's hard not to troll just for the fun of it...

So...

here's a bunny with a pancake on its head!
 
  #38  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:47 PM
Foosh's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 6,177
Received 1,028 Likes on 854 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by lhoboy
Foosh, thanks for coming to my defense.
TXJagR, not to worry, taken in the spirit intended.
You're welcome, "old-school, cave-dweller."
 
  #39  
Old 06-10-2015, 07:54 PM
RawwR's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 187
Received 53 Likes on 36 Posts
The following users liked this post:
TR64ever (06-11-2015)
  #40  
Old 06-10-2015, 11:56 PM
Arne's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Oslo, Norway
Posts: 1,100
Received 338 Likes on 213 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stohlen
Here, i'll fix it for you then...



I did read the "If you don't care so much of any of the above..." but you clearly insinuated that if all you car about is having fun, you have to get RWD... Get my beef now?
I got your beef and did not disagree. I see it could be missunderstood.

But I am not shure you got mine - and I am still not shure

The "fact" is that everyone will be able to have fun in the F-type - no matter which model. But we might have fun for different reasons.
 

Last edited by Arne; 06-11-2015 at 12:06 AM.


Quick Reply: Drove AWD and RWD back-to-back



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:24 PM.