Engine is replaced/blown - F-Type R - Oil STARVATION!
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PS - Like you, I am not a lawyer .
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@zmoothg
While it is uphill battle, you are not yet SOL. I suggest you pay an independent shop to determine the root cause of oil consumption. If it can be clearly linked to a flaw in production (e.g. bad oil scraper ring, flaw in cylinder surface) you can get reimbursed for engine replacement.
That is, JLR will always say "no warranty" for tuned engines and will not investigate the cause of engine failure any further. However, there are a lot of cases when the tune in not at fault. There are also a lot of cases where it is unclear, and JLR will successfully blame tune. It is rare, but does happen, when tune gradually destroy the engine. Most of the time bad tunes grenade the engine on the first or second pull at the dyno.
While it is uphill battle, you are not yet SOL. I suggest you pay an independent shop to determine the root cause of oil consumption. If it can be clearly linked to a flaw in production (e.g. bad oil scraper ring, flaw in cylinder surface) you can get reimbursed for engine replacement.
That is, JLR will always say "no warranty" for tuned engines and will not investigate the cause of engine failure any further. However, there are a lot of cases when the tune in not at fault. There are also a lot of cases where it is unclear, and JLR will successfully blame tune. It is rare, but does happen, when tune gradually destroy the engine. Most of the time bad tunes grenade the engine on the first or second pull at the dyno.
So basically I'm asking if they discover a tune do they void the warranty for life of the car? Or on a per case basis. Anybody know or experienced this before?
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Any idea if still say "no warranty" if the shop flashes the ECU back to factory spec and you don't apply the tune again?
So basically I'm asking if they discover a tune do they void the warranty for life of the car? Or on a per case basis. Anybody know or experienced this before?
So basically I'm asking if they discover a tune do they void the warranty for life of the car? Or on a per case basis. Anybody know or experienced this before?
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SinF (11-16-2017)
#45
It is not immediately obvious to the dealer that the car was tuned in the past if it has stock tune installed, but if JLR looks for it they will find signs of past tunes.
#46
no they can't. you constantly post incorrect information as fact. please stop posting bad information on subjects that you don't know about.
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sts-v (11-16-2017)
#47
Read your lease agreement. If you tune leased car and get warranty voided because of a tune, you can be asked to fully buy it out instead of simply turning it in at the end. Just like you can't return a car without an engine, you can't return a car with an engine that has voided warranty.
If there are no issues - you will get away with tuning a lease. This is what happens to most people because modern engines are reliable and rarely fail while still under warranty. However, it is important to understand the risks you are assuming.
Lease agreement will definitely will be enforced if you are returning a car with engine issues or the next owner has issues and gets warranty denied because of YOUR tune.
If there are no issues - you will get away with tuning a lease. This is what happens to most people because modern engines are reliable and rarely fail while still under warranty. However, it is important to understand the risks you are assuming.
Lease agreement will definitely will be enforced if you are returning a car with engine issues or the next owner has issues and gets warranty denied because of YOUR tune.
Last edited by SinF; 11-16-2017 at 02:18 PM.
#48
now you're just making **** up to try and prove your point. nowhere in the lease does it say anything close to that.
it says that you cannot modify a car without their consent and that any modifications installed become the lessor's property and part of the vehicle.
it also says that as part of the return you are responsible for excess wear and tear in excess of $1000 to fix - in areas they specifically lay out, seat rips, paint damage, dents, etc.
the exception to that is low tread on tires, mismatched tires, replacement parts that do not meet manufacturer spec, or neglect (mechanical or physical).
if you blow up a motor, of course you will have to replace it. with a tune, the dealer could possibly force you to pay for a new ecu as it "has been replaced with parts that don't meet manufacturer spec", but nowhere in the lease agreement does it state that you have to buy the car.
furthermore not all lease returns are still within warranty. mine will be out of warranty if i turn it in at the very end of the lease.
it says that you cannot modify a car without their consent and that any modifications installed become the lessor's property and part of the vehicle.
it also says that as part of the return you are responsible for excess wear and tear in excess of $1000 to fix - in areas they specifically lay out, seat rips, paint damage, dents, etc.
the exception to that is low tread on tires, mismatched tires, replacement parts that do not meet manufacturer spec, or neglect (mechanical or physical).
if you blow up a motor, of course you will have to replace it. with a tune, the dealer could possibly force you to pay for a new ecu as it "has been replaced with parts that don't meet manufacturer spec", but nowhere in the lease agreement does it state that you have to buy the car.
furthermore not all lease returns are still within warranty. mine will be out of warranty if i turn it in at the very end of the lease.
#49
now you're just making **** up to try and prove your point. nowhere in the lease does it say anything close to that.
it says that you cannot modify a car without their consent and that any modifications installed become the lessor's property and part of the vehicle.
it also says that as part of the return you are responsible for excess wear and tear in excess of $1000 to fix - in areas they specifically lay out, seat rips, paint damage, dents, etc.
the exception to that is low tread on tires, mismatched tires, replacement parts that do not meet manufacturer spec, or neglect (mechanical or physical).
if you blow up a motor, of course you will have to replace it. with a tune, the dealer could possibly force you to pay for a new ecu as it "has been replaced with parts that don't meet manufacturer spec", but nowhere in the lease agreement does it state that you have to buy the car.
furthermore not all lease returns are still within warranty. mine will be out of warranty if i turn it in at the very end of the lease.
it says that you cannot modify a car without their consent and that any modifications installed become the lessor's property and part of the vehicle.
it also says that as part of the return you are responsible for excess wear and tear in excess of $1000 to fix - in areas they specifically lay out, seat rips, paint damage, dents, etc.
the exception to that is low tread on tires, mismatched tires, replacement parts that do not meet manufacturer spec, or neglect (mechanical or physical).
if you blow up a motor, of course you will have to replace it. with a tune, the dealer could possibly force you to pay for a new ecu as it "has been replaced with parts that don't meet manufacturer spec", but nowhere in the lease agreement does it state that you have to buy the car.
furthermore not all lease returns are still within warranty. mine will be out of warranty if i turn it in at the very end of the lease.
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#51
If this becomes an issue during turn-in, it is likely they will auction the car with full disclosure and will oblige you to reimburse the difference between buy-out and auction price plus admin fee. This will likely be in thousands of dollars.
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#55
This is not very scientific, however I was concerned that the oil level reading that is available, may not be working, such as showing full when the oil is actually low.
I parked the car on a fairly steep incline and after 15 minutes (hot engine) I checked and it showed about a quarter or more of a quart down. Then I repeated the process on level ground and the level indicated full, as it should.
Did not have time to do this more than once, but at least it showed the gauge does move. Will try this again at some point.
Lawrence
I parked the car on a fairly steep incline and after 15 minutes (hot engine) I checked and it showed about a quarter or more of a quart down. Then I repeated the process on level ground and the level indicated full, as it should.
Did not have time to do this more than once, but at least it showed the gauge does move. Will try this again at some point.
Lawrence
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SinF (11-29-2017)
#59
Redemption for JVIII on the design issues.
Seems these engines may need a few things:
1. A solid 5000 mile break-in period prior to be running hard.
2. Perhaps some baffles in the oil pan to prevent "slosh" under hard G-Forces, which may lead to oil starvation.
3. An old-fashion oil dipstick. (To prevent over-fill / under-fill conditions.)
4. Extra diligence on oil consumption issues when tuned above factory specs.
Seems these engines may need a few things:
1. A solid 5000 mile break-in period prior to be running hard.
2. Perhaps some baffles in the oil pan to prevent "slosh" under hard G-Forces, which may lead to oil starvation.
3. An old-fashion oil dipstick. (To prevent over-fill / under-fill conditions.)
4. Extra diligence on oil consumption issues when tuned above factory specs.
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