Was the F type sound 'neutered' for '19/'20?
#21
Do you know he has a tune? There are several people claiming they have crackling with no tune and I don't know what to believe.
https://youtu.be/rOE2UPw5sgw?feature=shared
Does this sound like a tune? Cause this is perfect. The one I drove today didn't do any of this.
https://youtu.be/rOE2UPw5sgw?feature=shared
Does this sound like a tune? Cause this is perfect. The one I drove today didn't do any of this.
Also the SVR has a different exhaust system to the R with a unique sound.
A few have asked if they can upgrade their R exhaust system to the SVR system but I don't know of anyone who has done so.
The SVR exhaust system is not just different it is very different, with different materials (Inconel and titanium) and a pair of north/south rear mufflers, and those parts are hellish expensive and to my knowledge would not bolt up to an R without some structural mods.
Last edited by OzXFR; 01-13-2024 at 09:44 PM.
#22
I got that info from post # 13 where he says, quote: (VAP stg1).
Also the SVR has a different exhaust system to the R with a unique sound.
A few have asked if they can upgrade their R exhaust system to the SVR system but I don't know of anyone who has done so.
The SVR exhaust system is not just different it is very different, with different materials (Inconel and titanium) and a pair of north/south rear mufflers, and those parts are hellish expensive and to my knowledge would not bolt up to an R without some structural mods.
Also the SVR has a different exhaust system to the R with a unique sound.
A few have asked if they can upgrade their R exhaust system to the SVR system but I don't know of anyone who has done so.
The SVR exhaust system is not just different it is very different, with different materials (Inconel and titanium) and a pair of north/south rear mufflers, and those parts are hellish expensive and to my knowledge would not bolt up to an R without some structural mods.
#23
Did you drive it in Dynamic Mode with Sport/Manual engaged? That is the recipe for the most amount of pops/crackles/overrun. My 2018 could be driven in regular mode and get plenty of it above 3500 RPM, but my 2023 requires Dynamic and Sport/Manual to both be activated in order to get the cackling.
#24
Why? Coz it seems it was causing too many premature catalytic converter failures which was costing JLR a pretty penny in warranty claims.
Those pops bangs and crackles are generated by unburned fuel detonating in the exhaust pipes (deliberately per the ECU tune) and that raw fuel passing through the cats stuffed them up fairly quickly.
#25
Coz some time around 2019 JLR decided to tone down (a lot) the pops bangs and crackles on the overrun.
Why? Coz it seems it was causing too many premature catalytic converter failures which was costing JLR a pretty penny in warranty claims.
Those pops bangs and crackles are generated by unburned fuel detonating in the exhaust pipes (deliberately per the ECU tune) and that raw fuel passing through the cats stuffed them up fairly quickly.
Why? Coz it seems it was causing too many premature catalytic converter failures which was costing JLR a pretty penny in warranty claims.
Those pops bangs and crackles are generated by unburned fuel detonating in the exhaust pipes (deliberately per the ECU tune) and that raw fuel passing through the cats stuffed them up fairly quickly.
#26
Yeah I get that but does that mean they updated the 2018s and before as well? Or just started at 2019? And why does this 2019 sound so much better?
https://youtu.be/rOE2UPw5sgw?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/rOE2UPw5sgw?feature=shared
Plus on later models fitment of GPFs.
Plus some customer complaints about "too loud" start up noise.
So a whole bunch of factors creating a perfect storm leading JLR to tone down the F-Type exhaust volume and overrun noise.
I blame the Nanny State.
#28
It's not the volume that matters so maybe "loud" isn't the right word. It's the snaps, snarls, and some crackling that I want. It can be very loud but still sound muted and the 2022 doesn't sound nearly as good as the 2017.
#29
If it's mostly the pop/bangs/crackles on overrun you want, VAP can add a ridiculous amount of it to any one of their tunes. You have to agree to hold them harmless for any damage done to your cats (which it *will* eventually do), but you'll be popping and banging with just about every lift off the accelerator.
#30
I own a 2021 P300 with a Ragazzon exhaust.
Went to the dealer last month considering a trade to a 2024 450 with 400 miles on the clock.
Drove the car.
Loved the dynamic suspension, the torque was impressive however I was surprised and completely unimpressed with the sound.
$40,000 and my 18,000 mile '21 ? ? ?
Not anywhere near enough juice for the squeeze.
Not what I was expecting at all.
I left that dealership loving my P300 even more than when I drove in, expecting to trade.
BEST !
RWS
Went to the dealer last month considering a trade to a 2024 450 with 400 miles on the clock.
Drove the car.
Loved the dynamic suspension, the torque was impressive however I was surprised and completely unimpressed with the sound.
$40,000 and my 18,000 mile '21 ? ? ?
Not anywhere near enough juice for the squeeze.
Not what I was expecting at all.
I left that dealership loving my P300 even more than when I drove in, expecting to trade.
BEST !
RWS
Last edited by Thunderjet Racing; 01-16-2024 at 09:26 AM.
#31
I own a 2021 P300 with a Ragazzon exhaust.
Went to the dealer last month considering a trade to a 2024 450 with 40 miles on the clock.
Drove the car.
Loved the dynamic suspension, the torque was impressive however I was surprised and completely unimpressed with the sound.
$40,000 and my 18,000 mile '21 ? ? ?
Not anywhere near enough juice for the squeeze.
Not what I was expecting at all.
I left that dealership loving my P300 even more than when I drove in, expecting to trade.
BEST !
RWS
Went to the dealer last month considering a trade to a 2024 450 with 40 miles on the clock.
Drove the car.
Loved the dynamic suspension, the torque was impressive however I was surprised and completely unimpressed with the sound.
$40,000 and my 18,000 mile '21 ? ? ?
Not anywhere near enough juice for the squeeze.
Not what I was expecting at all.
I left that dealership loving my P300 even more than when I drove in, expecting to trade.
BEST !
RWS
#32
I have never heard a pre-2021 model in person so I have nothing to compare it to, but my 2021 R Model has plenty of crackles and pops. As discussed in pervious threads, the exhaust system needs "breaking in" as the characteristics change as the car accrues mileage, usually sometime after a couple thousand miles. Maybe that is due to the ECU "learning" the driving style of the owners ?
And pulling Fuse # 15 has a much different effect than just pressing the button on the console or putting the car in Dynamic mode. In any case I'm not going to go to the expense of a custom exhaust or run the risk of failing a smog test with a tune. Or worse, damaging the cats.
And pulling Fuse # 15 has a much different effect than just pressing the button on the console or putting the car in Dynamic mode. In any case I'm not going to go to the expense of a custom exhaust or run the risk of failing a smog test with a tune. Or worse, damaging the cats.
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#33
I have never heard a pre-2021 model in person so I have nothing to compare it to, but my 2021 R Model has plenty of crackles and pops. As discussed in pervious threads, the exhaust system needs "breaking in" as the characteristics change as the car accrues mileage, usually sometime after a couple thousand miles. Maybe that is due to the ECU "learning" the driving style of the owners ?
And pulling Fuse # 15 has a much different effect than just pressing the button on the console or putting the car in Dynamic mode. In any case I'm not going to go to the expense of a custom exhaust or run the risk of failing a smog test with a tune. Or worse, damaging the cats.
And pulling Fuse # 15 has a much different effect than just pressing the button on the console or putting the car in Dynamic mode. In any case I'm not going to go to the expense of a custom exhaust or run the risk of failing a smog test with a tune. Or worse, damaging the cats.
#34
Typo fixed above - should read 400 miles, not 40
At any rate, one of the huge advantages of the 400 mile 2024 car is the warranty.
Don't want to risk losing that with a tune.
So $40,000 + tune + my car ........ makes me love the P300 with the Ragazon exhaust all the more.
BEST !
RWS
At any rate, one of the huge advantages of the 400 mile 2024 car is the warranty.
Don't want to risk losing that with a tune.
So $40,000 + tune + my car ........ makes me love the P300 with the Ragazon exhaust all the more.
BEST !
RWS
Last edited by Thunderjet Racing; 01-16-2024 at 10:00 AM.
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#35
I have never heard a pre-2021 model in person so I have nothing to compare it to, but my 2021 R Model has plenty of crackles and pops. As discussed in pervious threads, the exhaust system needs "breaking in" as the characteristics change as the car accrues mileage, usually sometime after a couple thousand miles. Maybe that is due to the ECU "learning" the driving style of the owners ?
And pulling Fuse # 15 has a much different effect than just pressing the button on the console or putting the car in Dynamic mode. In any case I'm not going to go to the expense of a custom exhaust or run the risk of failing a smog test with a tune. Or worse, damaging the cats.
And pulling Fuse # 15 has a much different effect than just pressing the button on the console or putting the car in Dynamic mode. In any case I'm not going to go to the expense of a custom exhaust or run the risk of failing a smog test with a tune. Or worse, damaging the cats.
#36
Typo fixed above - should read 400 miles, not 40
At any rate, one of the huge advantages of the 400 mile 2024 car is the warranty.
Don't want to risk losing that with a tune.
So $40,000 + tune + my car ........ makes me love the P300 with the Ragazon exhaust all the more.
BEST !
RWS
At any rate, one of the huge advantages of the 400 mile 2024 car is the warranty.
Don't want to risk losing that with a tune.
So $40,000 + tune + my car ........ makes me love the P300 with the Ragazon exhaust all the more.
BEST !
RWS
#37
I have a 2024 p450. The exhaust sound, if the fuse is pulled is loud enough but the quality of the sound is not consistent with my other v8 cars. I prefer a low frequency rumble that is audible during normal driving, with the windows closed, like my other cars. This is especially disappointing because my 2010 XF V8 exhaust sound was perfect. You can guess what my first upgrade will be.
Last edited by Justabout; 02-23-2024 at 09:15 AM. Reason: More info
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