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We had several f-types burning after a motordamage last time in Germany.
Only V6 engines, no V8!
Seems to be a bigger Problem.
Du You have similar experiences in the US? And maybe answers?


Greetings from the land without general speedlimits on Highways.


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Welcome to the forum Sandmann, when you get a moment stop by our new members area and introduce yourself ==>> New Member Area - Intro a MUST - Jaguar Forums - Jaguar Enthusiasts Forum

I don't have an answer to your question, but I will ask you a question.

How many of those V6 F-Type's that caught fire had been fitted with smaller pulley's on the supercharger & flashed with some sort of tune?
 
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I don't recall any incidents of F-Types catching fire in the U.S.
 
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All cars were as built by Jaguar. No tuning, no modifications.
Engines broke when the cars had between 2000 and 15000 km.
All drivers confirmed to have treated the car in the first 3000 km as recommended by Jaguar.
It is reported of about 30 F-TYPE's with broken engines in 2014-2015, Most of them burned.
SIXT, Germany's biggest car rental company removed all their F-TYPE 's after several incidents of that Kind.
 
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I don't have an answer to your question, but I will ask you a question.

How many of those V6 F-Type's that caught fire had been fitted with smaller pulley's on the supercharger & flashed with some sort of tune?

The one documented case of a fire due to installation of a reduction pulley was the result of the installer fitting the pulley too deep on the shaft leaving no clearance with the SC housing.
 
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Originally Posted by sandmann62
Engines broke when the cars had between 2000 and 15000 km.
What part of the engine failed?
 
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will keep marshmellows in yje glove box from now on
 
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Burning aluminium could cause Alzheimer desease.
F-TYPE, F for "flambé".


In fact, we got no information from Jaguar what the Problem with the engines is.
There are rumors, it could be a problem with the crankshaft bearing shell.
The engine is originally designed by Ford as a V8. Could be that the reduktion to V6 causes a problem with the engines balance, or the crankshaft bearing shells were not fitted in properly in some engines.
Drivers report, there was a loud bang, smoke in the cockpit and the cars started burning. Only builts 2013 and 2014 affected as far as I know.
Until now no statement form Jaguar, no Produkt recall.
Some of us are pretty concerned.
Interesting that you don't have that incidents in the US. Speedlimit?
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Interesting that you don't have that incidents in the US. Speedlimit?
You might have something there.
 
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Originally Posted by lhoboy
You might have something there.

There is no general speedlimit on german "Autobahn". In approximately 60% you are allowed to Drive as fast as you want.
Downtown: 31mph, country road: 62mph, Autobahn: Fun.
 
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Lmao plmmd. Yeah I haven't heard of any F types in the states catching on fire.
 
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Probably you drive your cars more gently.


 
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If we don't, then we lose the ability to drive legally.

In addition, you don't see a lot of people in the US who enjoy track time buying the V6 for that application. I've spent many hours on the track, but I would not use my base V6 for that. It's the wrong tool for the job.
 
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This is odd considering there haven't really been any of these issues in the US. I wouldn't think that this problem is purely related to how fast people drive. We don't have the autobahn, but exceeding the posted speed limit on the freeway is something of the norm, at least around here

Since these issues are only happening on the V6 models, I suspect that they may be V6S models specifically, since we know the default tune on those is pretty aggressive. I'm pretty sure that the V6S engines aren't pushing any kind of safety limits, but perhaps that in combination with pushing the motor over an extended time period might be leading to the problems?

The V8 tune is much less aggressive, so that might also explain why they haven't seen any issues with the V8 models.

Just throwing out some ideas.
 
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Merlin,

While we may be exceeding the speed limit frequently on our US freeways, that's not the same as the extended triple-digit, legal speeds seen on the German autobahns. Anyone doing that routinely in the U.S. is likely going to end up in jail.

I could easily see extended speeds at 120 mph or so causing heating issues likely not seen in the U.S.
 
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V6 (base) and V6S are affected. Most of the cars were V6S. It's the same engine. Usually we doen't push our cars for a long time (>30min). Due to traffic situation there is a permanent change between 70mph and high speed.
I'm afraid it could be a problem with the engines balance.
 
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Originally Posted by Foosh
Merlin,

While we may be exceeding the speed limit frequently on our US freeways, that's not the same as the extended triple-digit, legal speeds seen on the German autobahns. Anyone doing that routinely in the U.S. is likely going to end up in jail.

I could easily see extended speeds at 120 mph or so causing heating issues likely not seen in the U.S.
Well, I don't know about F-Type drivers, but I see people pushing or exceeding triple digits on the freeways around here now and then. But yeah, if people are running at 120+ on an extended basis with their cars I'm sure that isn't helping. But I still think the more aggressive tune on the 380hp models may be contributing as well.
 
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I mean... It's a jaguar. Eventually it's gonna catch on fire.
 
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Old 07-13-2015, 03:30 PM
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LOL, good point. As long as it's 5-10 years from now, I'm OK with keeping tradition alive.
 


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