First oil change inquiry ?
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Just back from my servicing dealer...who is 400km from my home...and they don't sell the special Castrol Titanium with Jaguar fairy dust, other than by the 50 gal drum....
Looks like a dealer oil change is my only option. Have 1600 km or so on the car and want to do a change as I have trouble with the 15,000km before a change concept, though the service manager commented modern Jag/Landrover engines...and otherws...are built to such better tolerances that is fine ( apparently the newest Landrovers go to 26,000 km before a change.
He did not support my idea of Castrol Edge Titianum 5-20 oil which is readily available...he stuck with the idea of the 0-20 fairy dust special oil.
Anyone have helpful insights ? Naturally I'd like to use the 2-20 rather than wait for another 13,500 km . Any point in just changing the filter ?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
Looks like a dealer oil change is my only option. Have 1600 km or so on the car and want to do a change as I have trouble with the 15,000km before a change concept, though the service manager commented modern Jag/Landrover engines...and otherws...are built to such better tolerances that is fine ( apparently the newest Landrovers go to 26,000 km before a change.
He did not support my idea of Castrol Edge Titianum 5-20 oil which is readily available...he stuck with the idea of the 0-20 fairy dust special oil.
Anyone have helpful insights ? Naturally I'd like to use the 2-20 rather than wait for another 13,500 km . Any point in just changing the filter ?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
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Just back from my servicing dealer...who is 400km from my home...and they don't sell the special Castrol Titanium with Jaguar fairy dust, other than by the 50 gal drum....
Looks like a dealer oil change is my only option. Have 1600 km or so on the car and want to do a change as I have trouble with the 15,000km before a change concept, though the service manager commented modern Jag/Landrover engines...and otherws...are built to such better tolerances that is fine ( apparently the newest Landrovers go to 26,000 km before a change.
He did not support my idea of Castrol Edge Titianum 5-20 oil which is readily available...he stuck with the idea of the 0-20 fairy dust special oil.
Anyone have helpful insights ? Naturally I'd like to use the 2-20 rather than wait for another 13,500 km . Any point in just changing the filter ?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
Looks like a dealer oil change is my only option. Have 1600 km or so on the car and want to do a change as I have trouble with the 15,000km before a change concept, though the service manager commented modern Jag/Landrover engines...and otherws...are built to such better tolerances that is fine ( apparently the newest Landrovers go to 26,000 km before a change.
He did not support my idea of Castrol Edge Titianum 5-20 oil which is readily available...he stuck with the idea of the 0-20 fairy dust special oil.
Anyone have helpful insights ? Naturally I'd like to use the 2-20 rather than wait for another 13,500 km . Any point in just changing the filter ?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
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Just back from my servicing dealer...who is 400km from my home...and they don't sell the special Castrol Titanium with Jaguar fairy dust, other than by the 50 gal drum....
Looks like a dealer oil change is my only option. Have 1600 km or so on the car and want to do a change as I have trouble with the 15,000km before a change concept, though the service manager commented modern Jag/Landrover engines...and otherws...are built to such better tolerances that is fine ( apparently the newest Landrovers go to 26,000 km before a change.
He did not support my idea of Castrol Edge Titianum 5-20 oil which is readily available...he stuck with the idea of the 0-20 fairy dust special oil.
Anyone have helpful insights ? Naturally I'd like to use the 2-20 rather than wait for another 13,500 km . Any point in just changing the filter ?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
Looks like a dealer oil change is my only option. Have 1600 km or so on the car and want to do a change as I have trouble with the 15,000km before a change concept, though the service manager commented modern Jag/Landrover engines...and otherws...are built to such better tolerances that is fine ( apparently the newest Landrovers go to 26,000 km before a change.
He did not support my idea of Castrol Edge Titianum 5-20 oil which is readily available...he stuck with the idea of the 0-20 fairy dust special oil.
Anyone have helpful insights ? Naturally I'd like to use the 2-20 rather than wait for another 13,500 km . Any point in just changing the filter ?
Thanks for any help.
Alan
Changing the filter will do nothing. Its not about metal shavings and wear, its about cleaning the engine.
Be very careful using any other oil, it has the real possibility of getting baked on and clogging vital tiny openings. And then there is the carbon build up.
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This directly answers your question about why Castrol from dealer as opposed to Castrol from autozone.
"All synthetic oils are not created equal. Here in America we are at a disadvantage as to knowing what oils are synthetic and which are not. Due to a loophole in regulations and advertising, companies in America can advertise their group 3 oils (which start life as gasoline and are turned to liquid via hydrocracking) as fully synthetic. Many of these oils such as Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec, Mobil 1 cannot be called synthetic in other parts of the world where these things are taken much more seriously. As such, we recommend group 4 and group 5 oils exclusively. Many oils like Redline, ELF (Total), Amsoil, Torco, and Castrol formulations from Europe are all good examples of this. These oils are so important that every Volkswagen company (VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.) REQUIRE their dealerships to use them exclusively. So when in doubt, you can always have your oil changed at one of those dealerships to make sure you are getting the best quality oil."
"All synthetic oils are not created equal. Here in America we are at a disadvantage as to knowing what oils are synthetic and which are not. Due to a loophole in regulations and advertising, companies in America can advertise their group 3 oils (which start life as gasoline and are turned to liquid via hydrocracking) as fully synthetic. Many of these oils such as Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec, Mobil 1 cannot be called synthetic in other parts of the world where these things are taken much more seriously. As such, we recommend group 4 and group 5 oils exclusively. Many oils like Redline, ELF (Total), Amsoil, Torco, and Castrol formulations from Europe are all good examples of this. These oils are so important that every Volkswagen company (VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.) REQUIRE their dealerships to use them exclusively. So when in doubt, you can always have your oil changed at one of those dealerships to make sure you are getting the best quality oil."
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This directly answers your question about why Castrol from dealer as opposed to Castrol from autozone.
"All synthetic oils are not created equal. Here in America we are at a disadvantage as to knowing what oils are synthetic and which are not. Due to a loophole in regulations and advertising, companies in America can advertise their group 3 oils (which start life as gasoline and are turned to liquid via hydrocracking) as fully synthetic. Many of these oils such as Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec, Mobil 1 cannot be called synthetic in other parts of the world where these things are taken much more seriously. As such, we recommend group 4 and group 5 oils exclusively. Many oils like Redline, ELF (Total), Amsoil, Torco, and Castrol formulations from Europe are all good examples of this. These oils are so important that every Volkswagen company (VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.) REQUIRE their dealerships to use them exclusively. So when in doubt, you can always have your oil changed at one of those dealerships to make sure you are getting the best quality oil."
"All synthetic oils are not created equal. Here in America we are at a disadvantage as to knowing what oils are synthetic and which are not. Due to a loophole in regulations and advertising, companies in America can advertise their group 3 oils (which start life as gasoline and are turned to liquid via hydrocracking) as fully synthetic. Many of these oils such as Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec, Mobil 1 cannot be called synthetic in other parts of the world where these things are taken much more seriously. As such, we recommend group 4 and group 5 oils exclusively. Many oils like Redline, ELF (Total), Amsoil, Torco, and Castrol formulations from Europe are all good examples of this. These oils are so important that every Volkswagen company (VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.) REQUIRE their dealerships to use them exclusively. So when in doubt, you can always have your oil changed at one of those dealerships to make sure you are getting the best quality oil."
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Risking re-igniting another oil debate, I am willing to bet that special formulation has to do with unreasonably long oil change interval more so than with specific performance characteristics of the engine. Once out of warranty, I will risk "conventional" 5w20 full synthetic oil and 5K change intervals.
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This directly answers your question about why Castrol from dealer as opposed to Castrol from autozone.
"All synthetic oils are not created equal. Here in America we are at a disadvantage as to knowing what oils are synthetic and which are not. Due to a loophole in regulations and advertising, companies in America can advertise their group 3 oils (which start life as gasoline and are turned to liquid via hydrocracking) as fully synthetic. Many of these oils such as Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec, Mobil 1 cannot be called synthetic in other parts of the world where these things are taken much more seriously. As such, we recommend group 4 and group 5 oils exclusively. Many oils like Redline, ELF (Total), Amsoil, Torco, and Castrol formulations from Europe are all good examples of this. These oils are so important that every Volkswagen company (VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.) REQUIRE their dealerships to use them exclusively. So when in doubt, you can always have your oil changed at one of those dealerships to make sure you are getting the best quality oil."
"All synthetic oils are not created equal. Here in America we are at a disadvantage as to knowing what oils are synthetic and which are not. Due to a loophole in regulations and advertising, companies in America can advertise their group 3 oils (which start life as gasoline and are turned to liquid via hydrocracking) as fully synthetic. Many of these oils such as Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec, Mobil 1 cannot be called synthetic in other parts of the world where these things are taken much more seriously. As such, we recommend group 4 and group 5 oils exclusively. Many oils like Redline, ELF (Total), Amsoil, Torco, and Castrol formulations from Europe are all good examples of this. These oils are so important that every Volkswagen company (VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini, etc.) REQUIRE their dealerships to use them exclusively. So when in doubt, you can always have your oil changed at one of those dealerships to make sure you are getting the best quality oil."
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Risking re-igniting another oil debate, I am willing to bet that special formulation has to do with unreasonably long oil change interval more so than with specific performance characteristics of the engine. Once out of warranty, I will risk "conventional" 5w20 full synthetic oil and 5K change intervals.
However, the commonly available oil that does withstand high shear and has low sulfur (for the carbon buildup problem) is about the same price as the Castrol Slx. Even then it does not meet the criteria.
BTW jag has now changed to 0-20W just a heads-up.
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In multiple accounts, there's been no attempt to cover it up various dealers. People have tried to purchase the good stuff only to be told by the dealer they "don't carry it because what they use is just as good/doesn't matter." They just use the regular Castrol stuff.
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Risking re-igniting another oil debate, I am willing to bet that special formulation has to do with unreasonably long oil change interval more so than with specific performance characteristics of the engine. Once out of warranty, I will risk "conventional" 5w20 full synthetic oil and 5K change intervals.
Link below:
Pros and Cons of Direct Injection Engines - Consumer Reports
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The issue relates to problems unique to direct injection engines. I had an Audi RS4 w/ direct injection that had some major issues with engine deposits at about 20K miles. The real question is whether the the JLR special formulation necessary to keep such engines clean?
Link below:
Pros and Cons of Direct Injection Engines - Consumer Reports
Link below:
Pros and Cons of Direct Injection Engines - Consumer Reports
Here is a good demonstration
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The issue relates to problems unique to direct injection engines. I had an Audi RS4 w/ direct injection that had some major issues with engine deposits at about 20K miles. The real question is whether the the JLR special formulation necessary to keep such engines clean?
Link below:
Pros and Cons of Direct Injection Engines - Consumer Reports
Link below:
Pros and Cons of Direct Injection Engines - Consumer Reports
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SinF (05-08-2016)
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Not really. It basically just tells you if the additives package is still sufficiently intact to protect the engine or whether excessive wear (rings, bearings, etc.) is occurring.
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