Front of car squashed
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Not trying to be a troll. Just sick of it is always someone else's fault. I really do understand how it feels to have damage done to your beautiful car. When I had a Porsche, brand new, a lady backed into me at a stop sign. Yes, backed into me. I couldn't get out of her way because there was someone behind me.
Larry
Larry
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If you passionately want it to be my fault, then you are entitled to your dreams and aspirations; however, I am allowed to disagree. As stated the exact cause of the accident is not clear and the Klaus machine has known instances of malfunctioning and damaging properly parked cars. If the car was parked too forward this is something that could have easily been prevented with dummy proof better design, if the machine malfunctioned then not sure what could be done to prevent an accident like this in the future. Note: I have parked in this machine hundreds of time without issue.
Last edited by zmoothg; 01-25-2018 at 02:10 AM.
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#129
+1. I would agree that it would be negligent. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the lift did have some sensors but they were inoperative due to poor maintenance. If the lift does not have the sensors that common sense would dictate the manufacturer has an incompetent design staff, poor design review process, and/or really, really bad product liability lawyers.
Last edited by RGPV6S; 01-26-2018 at 11:52 AM.
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+1. I would agree that it would be negligent. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the lift did have some sensors but they were inoperative due to poor maintenance. If the lift does not have the sensors that common sense would dictate the manufacturer has really, really bad product liability lawyers.
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If it is very hard to see what constitutes "proper placement" of the vehicle on this machine, then it is arguably a poor design. Some painted lines on the platform could make all the difference here.
Here's the thing about all this "responsibility" stuff...
When someone can not foresee the consequences of doing something "improperly" are they just as responsible?
For example if there is a concrete pole and you hit it when you're parking, you suffer the consequences of not judging the placement of the car immediately. It feels like common sense to most people. But maybe it is a surprise to some? Should we try to improve on the pole design?
In the case of this machine, you suffer the consequences later. The cause is exactly the same - improper placement of the vehicle, right?
If someone later says "I didn't realize the pole would damage my car when I hit it", we would be siding with the pole right? Why is it any more outrageous in the case of the machine than the pole? A pole does not have a sensor on it to make the pole move out of the way.
It shouldn't be too complicated to park the car in this machine. Good design would dictate that.
It sounds like damage in the machine is very, very, rare. Much more rare than, say, parking your car on the street. How much is too much? For the once in a long while this happens, they (the company or their insurance) probably should just eat the cost and accept it as part of their business model, just like walmart assumes their employees, or their customers will "lose" 15% of their product.
Just playing devils advocate here, don't take it too seriously.
Here's the thing about all this "responsibility" stuff...
When someone can not foresee the consequences of doing something "improperly" are they just as responsible?
For example if there is a concrete pole and you hit it when you're parking, you suffer the consequences of not judging the placement of the car immediately. It feels like common sense to most people. But maybe it is a surprise to some? Should we try to improve on the pole design?
In the case of this machine, you suffer the consequences later. The cause is exactly the same - improper placement of the vehicle, right?
If someone later says "I didn't realize the pole would damage my car when I hit it", we would be siding with the pole right? Why is it any more outrageous in the case of the machine than the pole? A pole does not have a sensor on it to make the pole move out of the way.
It shouldn't be too complicated to park the car in this machine. Good design would dictate that.
It sounds like damage in the machine is very, very, rare. Much more rare than, say, parking your car on the street. How much is too much? For the once in a long while this happens, they (the company or their insurance) probably should just eat the cost and accept it as part of their business model, just like walmart assumes their employees, or their customers will "lose" 15% of their product.
Just playing devils advocate here, don't take it too seriously.
Last edited by 15FTypeR; 01-26-2018 at 01:05 PM.
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Gallows humour and all that.
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