Great Track day at Goodwood
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It all depends upon your priorities. If you're just there for the experience and don't care about the lap times, great. If lap times do matter, physics dictates that weight is something to be rid of. Period. It's all about what the driver wants, so for "whiners", lap times matter.
NASA Pro Racing uses power to weight for their classing. Which means you can low power low weight vs higher power higher weight. Depending on the track one version is better than the other. I race a S2000. I didn't go to the national championships a few years back, but I had some friends go. There was nothing they could do at that track with the heavier cars in class running more power. As soon as those cars hit the straights, they were just gone due to the horsepower.
For competition, what is done to keep it from getting out of hand is that they limit the tire size of the heavier cars. Otherwise, they just get heavier, and heavier with more power but still keep the same power to weight ratio. So there is a sweet spot in there but it does depend on the tracks.
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Good and interesting points about the track capabilities and weight. Fully agree that the F-Type's weight generally speaking isn't good for its handling and there are definitely better track cars. As said it's all about priorities, expectations and what you compare to.
To me the F-Type is what it is, something between a sports car (whatever that is) and a GT with the weight it has, which dictates my expectations. I've seen comments elsewhere along the lines of "it sucks on track because it's so heavy, I have to get a Lotus again" and that's the reasoning I don't get. It's like some people get these cars without knowing the specs or have strange expectations. It just seems odd to compare its track handling to something much lighter like a Lotus or Alpine, which you then of course also can find too heavy if you compare to something like a Caterham or Ariel and so on.
So it's really nice to see threads like this where the OP clearly "gets" the car and can enjoy it on track.
To me the F-Type is what it is, something between a sports car (whatever that is) and a GT with the weight it has, which dictates my expectations. I've seen comments elsewhere along the lines of "it sucks on track because it's so heavy, I have to get a Lotus again" and that's the reasoning I don't get. It's like some people get these cars without knowing the specs or have strange expectations. It just seems odd to compare its track handling to something much lighter like a Lotus or Alpine, which you then of course also can find too heavy if you compare to something like a Caterham or Ariel and so on.
So it's really nice to see threads like this where the OP clearly "gets" the car and can enjoy it on track.
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Regarding comments about different types of track cars: most of the posts above are from people far more used to racing than me, and I'm sure are correct, but the thing is I didn't buy the F as a track car. I bought it because I like the looks, the way it drives, the relative comfort, the room in the trunk (it's a coupe) and the fact that I like jags. The fact that it also seems pretty good around the track is a plus. Incidentally, I was closely following (surprisingly!) a 617 bhp beast down towards St Mary's, a tight left hander; he went off big time, I went round the bend. Actually, I couldn't help but watch him as he span into the long grass, which nearly made me miss the bend! Something seasoned racers obviously have to learn - keep your eyes on the track!
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Good and interesting points about the track capabilities and weight. Fully agree that the F-Type's weight generally speaking isn't good for its handling and there are definitely better track cars. As said it's all about priorities, expectations and what you compare to.
To me the F-Type is what it is, something between a sports car (whatever that is) and a GT with the weight it has, which dictates my expectations. I've seen comments elsewhere along the lines of "it sucks on track because it's so heavy, I have to get a Lotus again" and that's the reasoning I don't get. It's like some people get these cars without knowing the specs or have strange expectations. It just seems odd to compare its track handling to something much lighter like a Lotus or Alpine, which you then of course also can find too heavy if you compare to something like a Caterham or Ariel and so on.
So it's really nice to see threads like this where the OP clearly "gets" the car and can enjoy it on track.
To me the F-Type is what it is, something between a sports car (whatever that is) and a GT with the weight it has, which dictates my expectations. I've seen comments elsewhere along the lines of "it sucks on track because it's so heavy, I have to get a Lotus again" and that's the reasoning I don't get. It's like some people get these cars without knowing the specs or have strange expectations. It just seems odd to compare its track handling to something much lighter like a Lotus or Alpine, which you then of course also can find too heavy if you compare to something like a Caterham or Ariel and so on.
So it's really nice to see threads like this where the OP clearly "gets" the car and can enjoy it on track.
It's human nature to bias comparisons in one's favor and this is especially prevalent in car forums. The two comparisons that annoy me most are: "My modified X will beat unmodified car Y any day", and "That car wouldn't last five minutes off-road like my 4x4 truck." I guess if that's what it takes to deal with feeling of inadequacy... Getting back on track (see what I did there), the F-Type can be enjoyed on-track as long as the owner understands the context. Other cars may be faster, but they'll never be as pretty.
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It was with the jaguar Drivers' Club. Each year, on early May bank holiday, we rent the circuit for a day, together with the Goodwood Marshalls. It is for our use only plus guests; all guests are welcome. Although a Jag affair, other cars are welcome. We have quite a few Caterhams, Lotus's (is that lotii?), a morgan or two and so on. Next year, it will be on May 1st. If anyone on here wants to come, they will be very welcome. Just contact me. We limit the day to 60 cars, and members are given first choice, so if you do fancy it then you need to get in early.
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