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Old 07-12-2014 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jag_guy_2020
Ok, did some googling, and found this reference to JBN which redirects me to a login page:

https://jbn.jlrext.com/

I also found the following url that refers to JBN and seems to suggest that JBN is some type of corporate portal:

JBN or Infotrail

I'm still curious to know if JBN is an acronym for Jaguar Bulletin Network or something else?
Jaguar Business Network

It this home site for Jaguar to dealer communication & dealer aids.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 12:07 AM
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Jaguar Business Network

It this home site for Jaguar to dealer communication & dealer aids.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 01:41 AM
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I realize this is semantics, but it might be helpful if, instead of continuing to refer to this as a "discount", people would refer to the program as a "dealer rebate".

Discount implies the dealer is giving the buyer additional money off the purchase price of the vehicle without restitution. A Dealer Rebate would indicate to the Dealer that the price reduction to the buyer gets rebated to the dealer by the program sponsor.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jag_guy_2020
Interesting. I did not realize that rebates/discounts were taxed. So if I live in WA with a 10% sales tax then I'll need to put down an extra $250 to get the full $2500 discount?
If you purchase a new cell phone, as most of us have, you likely paid $99 up to $199 for a device with a suggested retail price (MSRP) of $499 to $699.

You paid sales tax on the full retail price of the phone. The price reduction is a result of a subsidy offered to the retailer by the mfg. of the device. The State requires the retailer to charge sales tax on the MSRP, regardless of any sales incentives that may be in play behind the scenes.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JgaXkr
The bulletins are all posted on JBN. I just looked at the Bulletin. The program runs from 7/1/14 thru 3/31/15. The $2500 is for all F Type XK & XJ. The XF is $1500. Most sales people are unaware of the discount as so few JCNA members buy new cars.
This is great info, but still hearsay like most everything else offered in this thread.

Maybe you could provide a link or paste a copy of the memo.

I get Jag Guys frustration... he wants something concrete to take to his dealership, rather than a bunch of message board babble.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by IronMike
If you purchase a new cell phone, as most of us have, you likely paid $99 up to $199 for a device with a suggested retail price (MSRP) of $499 to $699.

You paid sales tax on the full retail price of the phone. The price reduction is a result of a subsidy offered to the retailer by the mfg. of the device. The State requires the retailer to charge sales tax on the MSRP, regardless of any sales incentives that may be in play behind the scenes.
got it thanks. not a big deal but still kinda bogus. regardless, it's the law.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 08:21 AM
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I closed the deal yesterday on a new F-Type Coupe R and there was no issue with getting the JCNA discount.

They did not charge tax on the 2500. If they are not collecting the money from the customer, I don't see how they could.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 09:23 AM
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I closed the deal yesterday on a new F-Type Coupe R and there was no issue with getting the JCNA discount.

They did not charge tax on the 2500. If they are not collecting the money from the customer, I don't see how they could.
Nice. Now we're looking like we're getting somewhere.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 09:24 AM
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Past cars I purchased from different brands applied the discount after all taxes are calculated on the sale price, so you don't get the benefit of not paying tax on a reduced amount. I think that's what Iron Mike is saying. If you look at your sales receipt you should see the order in which the math and therefore tax was calculated.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by IronMike
This is great info, but still hearsay like most everything else offered in this thread.

Maybe you could provide a link or paste a copy of the memo.

I get Jag Guys frustration... he wants something concrete to take to his dealership, rather than a bunch of message board babble.
There is no link that would work as it is a password protested website. If he wants something concrete go to the JCNA website & print the offer. How can this be frustrating, all he does is ask them for the discount. As I said so few members actually buy new cars that dealers tend not to ask if someone is a member.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by IronMike
If you purchase a new cell phone, as most of us have, you likely paid $99 up to $199 for a device with a suggested retail price (MSRP) of $499 to $699.

You paid sales tax on the full retail price of the phone. The price reduction is a result of a subsidy offered to the retailer by the mfg. of the device. The State requires the retailer to charge sales tax on the MSRP, regardless of any sales incentives that may be in Discount.
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That is not how it works in AL. We pay tax on the purchase price. If there is a trade involved we pay tax on the difference between purchase price and trade allowance. I will not be paying sales tax on the $2500.00 JCNA Member Discount.
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Old 07-13-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JgaXkr
There is no link that would work as it is a password protested website. If he wants something concrete go to the JCNA website & print the offer. How can this be frustrating, all he does is ask them for the discount. As I said so few members actually buy new cars that dealers tend not to ask if someone is a member.
Because the VP of JCNA knows nothing of the discount... and has indicated that if such existed, they should, could, and would know by now!
Understand the password protected issue, maybe you could post a screen capture of the memo...

Originally Posted by JCNA VP George Camp on July 12, 2014)
"JCNA has not been informed, to my knowledge, of a further member discount for the Coupes. In fact the coupes were specifically not included in the last sales bulletins. Having said that it is possible that a program has formed in the last week or so and we (JCNA) simply have not been informed. As Steve pointed out the easiest way to know is to ask your dealer (retail store) to look at their sales bulletins they get by e mail. If there is any doubt the dealer should call the retail ops number. JCNA does not get a feed from the retail ops but that function is provided by the Jaguar rep on the JCNA BOD. I am sure if he had that news he would have shared it with the documentation. You may rest assured that if further information is received by JCNA it will be shared with the members ASAP"
"...there is a lot of mis-information on that forum including one member who keeps posting JCNA when he means JLRNA. Possibly you can educate them..."
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Old 07-13-2014 | 04:18 PM
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The JCNA thread where the JCNA discount was originally announced seems to have lost some credibility/authority based on the last few posts:

http://www.jcna.com/forums/view.php?Vfnum=001&Vthread=8207&Vref=

At this point, the following steps seem to make the most sense:

1. Ask the GM to call Retail Operations at the 800 number for details about the $2500 JCNA discount.
2. If that does not work then ask the dealer to search his Jaguar email account for the Sales Bulletin (JSOB) from July 3.
3. Also ask the GM to search Jaguar Business Network (JBN) for the Sales Bulletin.

The JSOB ID is followed by a series of numbers. Can someone please provide the full JSOB ID? This will be more authoritative.

Has anyone here been on the JBN website? I'd like to relay the nav path of the Sales Bulletin to the GM if possible. For example:

1. Login to JBN at https://jbn.jlrext.com/
2. Click the "Sales Bulletins" url on the home page.
3. JSOB-12345 will be displayed at the top of the JSOB results list.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 04:59 PM
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@jag_guy - - really you should not have to tell the SM or GM how to navigate to find the Sales Bulletins. They should already know this. As I stated in my earlier post the info my GM told me about stated it is a Private Offer Program. Again your SM or GM should be familiar with those. You should not have to convince this person, you are having to stress way on much on this!
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IronMike
Because the VP of JCNA knows nothing of the discount... and has indicated that if such existed, they should, could, and would know by now!
Understand the password protected issue, maybe you could post a screen capture of the memo...




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Tell him to do his homework & he will verify what I posted. There is a process involving the dealer contacting retailer operations to get a pin number. That is all part of the process.
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 05:05 PM
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Tell him to do his homework & he will verify what I posted. There is a process involving the dealer contacting retailer operations to get a pin number. That is all part of the process.
Are you familiar with the term Private Offer Program?
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 05:16 PM
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Ok - One member mentioned a "Sales Bulletin" (JSOB) and another member mentioned a "Private Offer Program."

Are these 2 different types of communication where the discount is published? Or is the Private Offer Program advertised as part of the Sales Bulletin?
 
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Old 07-13-2014 | 05:17 PM
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Are you familiar with the term Private Offer Program?
That is the heading on the bulletin is Organizations and Corporations Program. I think the Private Offer has to do with a marketing program.
 

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Old 07-13-2014 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jag_guy_2020
Ok - One member mentioned a "Sales Bulletin" (JSOB) and another member mentioned a "Private Offer Program."

Are these 2 different types of communication where the discount is published? Or is the Private Offer Program advertised as part of the Sales Bulletin?
The Sales bulletin is called Organizations and Corporations Program
 

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Old 07-13-2014 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by buickfunnycar.com
OK...I spoke with my SM and he confirmed the program runs through the end of the year...he knows this because he knows how to check these things and what to look for...and his word is good enough for me.

He also told me he's fully aware that most other dealers do not know how to check for these programs and that they are not on top of this stuff and so he keeps information like this to himself and his clients and uses it as his secret weapon if you will to drive his own business and doesn't really feel like enlightening the other dealers, this is his edge and this is how he gains customer trust. Like I stated previously,as soon as I spoke with him,I knew I was in good hands dealing with him and his staff and he has proven that so far with his rather keen insight and updated communication.

Just to be fair to him,I have deleted his contact info and phone number that I posted previously,obviously he'd rather not help other lazy or incompetent dealers make sales based on his knowledge and would rather drive their customers to his dealership where his experience and professionalism closes deals...makes perfectly good sense to me and I hope it does to you guys too,thanks for your understanding.

To repeat...the program runs through the 3rd & 4th quarter which means it runs until 12/31.
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@jag_guy - - really you should not have to tell the SM or GM how to navigate to find the Sales Bulletins. They should already know this. As I stated in my earlier post the info my GM told me about stated it is a Private Offer Program. Again your SM or GM should be familiar with those. You should not have to convince this person, you are having to stress way on much on this!

Not trying to be argumentative, but according to Buick's Sales Manager, it is not at all uncommon for the dealers to by completely unaware of these programs, let alone where to validate them. Given the number of posters here who have been alarmed by the lack of information at the dealer level, I would tend to feel these programs are:
1) not widely publicized; and
2) even less frequently taken advantage of.

3) this may very well be a JLRNA Private Offer Program and not a JCNA sponsored rebate.
 


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