JLR Going All Electric
#41
Depending on where you live, however, I imagine that it could get significantly more difficult/impractical to own and operate an ICE vehicle in my life (pollution/registration taxes, reduced fuel infrastructure/EV charge point conversions, cost of gas/ICE parts relating to economies of scale, fewer technicians trained/training to serve combustion motors, etc).
I don't think gas cars will be priced off the road just yet, although I'm sure that's where my home state of California is ultimately headed.
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#42
Uncle Fishbits remarks, to me, hit on all counts. His thoughts on car "values" are thought provoking; and include the dollar value and how cars are "valued" as consumer goods. As a lifetime car nut who has achieved peak car love with my F Type; my one test drive in a Model 3 made me much less afraid of the future than I once was. I think too, there's a great niche between standard brands and the true high end stuff...Volvo's starting to play that angle... If Jag plays its cards right and can create some passion and emotion behind the Leaper, there's no reason why the all electric strategy can't sustain it's future. My next new car will be electric, and I'm looking forward to the prospect -- hell, the new crop of electrics are really getting some exciting ideas going. But I can assure you my R will remain ready for the fun drives.
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#44
The "what is this car" subreddit is amazing. They got this within one minute and 30 seconds. I drove by this tonight, it's a Volvo variant called a pole star, and it's a plug-in hybrid Grand touring coupe. Aesthetics are completely personal but this struck my eye
might as well compare what is out there and what is coming to what Jaguar will be doing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_1
might as well compare what is out there and what is coming to what Jaguar will be doing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_1
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#45
I won't quote/reply, but it always strikes me as surreal when someone ignores the facts that the literal market forces are moving en masse in their best interest, and don't care about your feelings. Then you go and blame some little girl? Just such a different way of perceiving the world than me, I don't even know what to say to that type of needlessly petty, and weirdly informed, behavior. I tried to let that comment stand. But it's like saying "I hate all the new safety rules of football so I blame the guy that is dealing with a concussion".
edit: New Climate Maps Show a Transformed United States https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/
The coming northern migration is going to be absolutely unreal. Anyhoo... I always think of when people's opinions buck facts, science, data, objective reality. Like pushing back against a tidal wave of truth. Must be tiring.
edit: New Climate Maps Show a Transformed United States https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/
The coming northern migration is going to be absolutely unreal. Anyhoo... I always think of when people's opinions buck facts, science, data, objective reality. Like pushing back against a tidal wave of truth. Must be tiring.
#47
#48
I am retired from Tesla. I get the move to EV's but they are not for everyone. It won't be long before the range is 500-600 miles on all models, but as others have pointed out, there are many, many problems with the infrastructure required for charging on a mass scale, especially for people who don't have the luxury of being able to charge at their home or condo.
The automakers are responding to three things: Demand, keeping up with the competition, and government mandates. And like most things that involve the government, the people who are making the decisions are mostly morons and don't understand the law of unintended consequences.
I also live in California, where all new cars sold after 2035 are supposed to be electric. We'll see how that works out. And a regime change, if at all possible could reverse that decision overnight.
As I approach age 66 I'm not sure how much longer I am going to be able to be a motorhead. Hopefully by 2035 I'll still be more lucid than Creepy Joe. I am awaiting a 2021 F Type R. People who know I worked for Tesla ask me why I didn't buy one of those, since their performance specs are so impressive. My answer was that I want a gas guzzling, fire breathing, loud, hydrocarbon emitting V8 sexy sports car while I can still buy one. I think when it arrives I am going to take a photo of me sitting in it and thumbing my nose and send it to Greta Thunberg.
The automakers are responding to three things: Demand, keeping up with the competition, and government mandates. And like most things that involve the government, the people who are making the decisions are mostly morons and don't understand the law of unintended consequences.
I also live in California, where all new cars sold after 2035 are supposed to be electric. We'll see how that works out. And a regime change, if at all possible could reverse that decision overnight.
As I approach age 66 I'm not sure how much longer I am going to be able to be a motorhead. Hopefully by 2035 I'll still be more lucid than Creepy Joe. I am awaiting a 2021 F Type R. People who know I worked for Tesla ask me why I didn't buy one of those, since their performance specs are so impressive. My answer was that I want a gas guzzling, fire breathing, loud, hydrocarbon emitting V8 sexy sports car while I can still buy one. I think when it arrives I am going to take a photo of me sitting in it and thumbing my nose and send it to Greta Thunberg.
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#50
I'm at the age where I probably won't be around for the results of what we continue to do to the world. I'm a lifetime car nut from my '59 TR3A to my Ftype. I thought the Triumph was great fun and all I could handle on "Dead man's curve" after school. I could never imagine as well an engineered car as my SLK55, but it still had handling challenges some 50+ years later. The Polestar and Lucid and new Audi and Porsche sedans are far better than we could have hoped for. I can only hope that a way is found to keep the sport in sports cars as they are sold in very small numbers. And at a price people can justify. +1 to Uncle Fishbits.
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#51
The "what is this car" subreddit is amazing. They got this within one minute and 30 seconds. I drove by this tonight, it's a Volvo variant called a pole star, and it's a plug-in hybrid Grand touring coupe. Aesthetics are completely personal but this struck my eye
might as well compare what is out there and what is coming to what Jaguar will be doing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_1
might as well compare what is out there and what is coming to what Jaguar will be doing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_1
The design is roughly based on the Volvo S90 sedan, which I currently own and really enjoy.
#52
That Polestar is a very attractive vehicle. I once suggested to Mr. Musk that I thought a Tesla Sport Coupe, a 4 seater about the size of the original Infiniti G35 Coupe would be a good seller. Something to compete with the BMW and Audi coupes that sold in the $60K range. I also told him that I thought a more conventional appearing instrument cluster around the steering wheel that displayed needed info and a smaller than laptop sized touchscreen on the console would appeal to more conservative drivers who want an EV but want the car to have a driver's experience more like they were used to.
He agreed that a Sport Coupe sounded cool but said that at the time, their market research pointed to their current offerings and a pickup truck. But if the Polestar is successful, maybe a similar Tesla will be on the market within a couple of years. It certainly appeals to me more than the Model S, Y, or 3.
Jaguar might also have some success with a "personal luxury car" category Sport Coupe with an electric drivetrain. Electric vehicles don't have to be ugly !
He agreed that a Sport Coupe sounded cool but said that at the time, their market research pointed to their current offerings and a pickup truck. But if the Polestar is successful, maybe a similar Tesla will be on the market within a couple of years. It certainly appeals to me more than the Model S, Y, or 3.
Jaguar might also have some success with a "personal luxury car" category Sport Coupe with an electric drivetrain. Electric vehicles don't have to be ugly !
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#54
Uncle Fishbits remarks, to me, hit on all counts. His thoughts on car "values" are thought provoking; and include the dollar value and how cars are "valued" as consumer goods. As a lifetime car nut who has achieved peak car love with my F Type; my one test drive in a Model 3 made me much less afraid of the future than I once was. I think too, there's a great niche between standard brands and the true high end stuff...Volvo's starting to play that angle... If Jag plays its cards right and can create some passion and emotion behind the Leaper, there's no reason why the all electric strategy can't sustain it's future. My next new car will be electric, and I'm looking forward to the prospect -- hell, the new crop of electrics are really getting some exciting ideas going. But I can assure you my R will remain ready for the fun drives.
I truly fear a massive, MASSIVE glut in the car market of destabilized values of classic American vehicles up until muscle cars or so. Maybe the Chinese and Middle Eastern markets will find a home for a nostalgic yesteryear of car history, but man... The Nissan Skyline or the Buick Imperial? What's selling to a 39 year old tech guy who grew up on Fast and Furious? However, if things drop from millions into 100sK, people might pick up some fun cars that find a rational value vs the nostalgia of Silver Gen and their love for cars after the war, and the Boomers who grew up watching dad rub the car with a diaper. =)
That modern kid? He either loves those newer cars, or can't be bothered to pay attention what kind of car his uber is. A lack of interest in Americans, a lack of interest in cars, a diminishing market interest in combustible (so long term maintenance will become a pain in the ***), and shift to EV makes me baffled how these classics exist. Sadly, the best case scenario is to become museum pieces vs finding a track to loosen them up on. =(
#55
That Polestar is a very attractive vehicle. I once suggested to Mr. Musk that I thought a Tesla Sport Coupe, a 4 seater about the size of the original Infiniti G35 Coupe would be a good seller. Something to compete with the BMW and Audi coupes that sold in the $60K range. I also told him that I thought a more conventional appearing instrument cluster around the steering wheel that displayed needed info and a smaller than laptop sized touchscreen on the console would appeal to more conservative drivers who want an EV but want the car to have a driver's experience more like they were used to.
He agreed that a Sport Coupe sounded cool but said that at the time, their market research pointed to their current offerings and a pickup truck. But if the Polestar is successful, maybe a similar Tesla will be on the market within a couple of years. It certainly appeals to me more than the Model S, Y, or 3.
Jaguar might also have some success with a "personal luxury car" category Sport Coupe with an electric drivetrain. Electric vehicles don't have to be ugly !
He agreed that a Sport Coupe sounded cool but said that at the time, their market research pointed to their current offerings and a pickup truck. But if the Polestar is successful, maybe a similar Tesla will be on the market within a couple of years. It certainly appeals to me more than the Model S, Y, or 3.
Jaguar might also have some success with a "personal luxury car" category Sport Coupe with an electric drivetrain. Electric vehicles don't have to be ugly !
And I 100% got Teslas entry to market: flash for cash sports car, then functional high end Audi / BMW comp, then soccer mom, then everyman access to these luxurious trending vehicles. Quite well done.
I might look at a Tesla if there wasn't some distracting glowing screen. In the F-Type, the turning off of the screen is my favorite thing.... thank you for the instrument cluster direction. =)
Having randomly seen a Polestar last night, I will say it's the same vibe I got when i kept noticing our car on the road around 2014. I know the Polestar isn't that compelling, except the rear end is lovely, but something really struck a chord and I will probably be hovering around their delivery system on their site today, tho I've basically been out of work for a year. LOLOlololol ill advised.
#56
Early Tesla stories will be very interesting to read. =) Did he name them so they spelled S 3 X Y ?
And I 100% got Teslas entry to market: flash for cash sports car, then functional high end Audi / BMW comp, then soccer mom, then everyman access to these luxurious trending vehicles. Quite well done.
I might look at a Tesla if there wasn't some distracting glowing screen. In the F-Type, the turning off of the screen is my favorite thing.... thank you for the instrument cluster direction. =)
Having randomly seen a Polestar last night, I will say it's the same vibe I got when i kept noticing our car on the road around 2014. I know the Polestar isn't that compelling, except the rear end is lovely, but something really struck a chord and I will probably be hovering around their delivery system on their site today, tho I've basically been out of work for a year. LOLOlololol ill advised.
And I 100% got Teslas entry to market: flash for cash sports car, then functional high end Audi / BMW comp, then soccer mom, then everyman access to these luxurious trending vehicles. Quite well done.
I might look at a Tesla if there wasn't some distracting glowing screen. In the F-Type, the turning off of the screen is my favorite thing.... thank you for the instrument cluster direction. =)
Having randomly seen a Polestar last night, I will say it's the same vibe I got when i kept noticing our car on the road around 2014. I know the Polestar isn't that compelling, except the rear end is lovely, but something really struck a chord and I will probably be hovering around their delivery system on their site today, tho I've basically been out of work for a year. LOLOlololol ill advised.
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#58
It is interesting how the side profile of the Polestar Coupe is so similar to the Infiniti G35 Coupe. Looks just about right, although at $156K they won't find as many buyers as they would at half that price.
If it's successful, maybe Elon will have another thought about my suggestion from a few years ago.
If it's successful, maybe Elon will have another thought about my suggestion from a few years ago.
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#59
I don't need the status symbol, and I don't need to engineer in a new fuel where I park, etc. I'm fine waiting on EVs, and my wife is in the market, so knowing that's the build/design inspiration is going to get us to the dealership. Funny, my car needs service and JLR dealer by me is also Volvo. =)