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Old 08-07-2023, 04:24 PM
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Not that I truly care, but I was just wonder: Does the newly face-lifted F-type R have a launch control?

I have seen references in reviews saying it does not, and then some people in comments on those videos suggesting that it does.

What day you latest get R owners?!??!? ;-0
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:07 PM
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Yes, it does, I saw it in the owners manual, I forgot how to use it though.
Still new to me.
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:15 PM
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No The F type R old and new model cannot do launch control, because of the too High torque V8 engine not compatibile with the f type gearbox. Only the V6 S could do It.
 
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Originally Posted by piperman
Yes, it does, I saw it in the owners manual, I forgot how to use it though.
Still new to me.
My 2014 owners manual also says it has launch control, it does not.
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:21 PM
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It shows in the '23 that it has dynamic launch control.
This is what the manual says, so I don't know.To activate the dynamic launch feature:
  1. Press and hold the brake pedal with the left foot.
    NOTESProlonged application of the brake pedal deactivates the dynamic launch feature.
  2. Select Drive (D) or Sport (S). See AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION.
    NOTESManual gear selections via the gearshift paddles override operation of the dynamic launch feature.
  3. Lightly press the accelerator pedal with the right foot until the instrument panel displays a dynamic launch ready message.
  4. Release the brake pedal and quickly press the accelerator pedal down to the full travel position. The instrument panel displays a dynamic launch active confirmation message.
NOTESThe dynamic launch feature is not active once the accelerator pedal is released from the full travel position.

The dynamic launch feature remains available for further use for a short period of time.
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:25 PM
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Although, that doesn't really sound like launch control, that I am familiar with.
So there may be a lot of truth to the gearbox not being able to handle it, but it is a high torque rated ZF just like in M5.
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 05:26 PM
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Lol, this is exactly why I asked, as I have seen these sorts of competing ideas all over the place about it.

I'll ask in this way: Is there anyone that has actually used launch control on the new R?

lol
 
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Although, that doesn't really sound like launch control, that I am familiar with.
So there may be a lot of truth to the gearbox not being able to handle it, but it is a high torque rated ZF just like in M5.
Yes could be that the my2023 and my2024 F type R have a new ZF High torque rated like the new F Pace SVR
 
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Originally Posted by spegor
No The F type R old and new model cannot do launch control, because of the too High torque V8 engine not compatibile with the f type gearbox. Only the V6 S could do It.
The 4-pot has (had?) launch control too.
 
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So does the '23 lower torque P450 have it? Just curious about that too, but would probably never use it anyway, so not a big deal to me.
 
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According to the manual????? The P450 2024 has it also.
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 07:42 PM
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But what about '23? Due to the lack of Meridian Surround, I'd end up with a '23... if I can find one I can approve. On a semi-related note, I've heard a ton of videos on launches (upshifts sound awesome), but hardly anybody does downshifts, and the few I've heard, sounded really uninspiring (not aggressive at all). Cars like the Lexus LC500 and BMW M850i do awesome throttle-blip downshifts, and they both have a regular tranny, like the F-Type (not a DCT). In fact, the BMW probably has the same exact ZF tranny than the F-Type (the LC 500 has an Aisin). Curious how good it sounds, and how quick the downshifts are. Thanks gang.
 
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Old 08-07-2023, 08:35 PM
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So according to the manual, the 2023 P450 also has it.
Down shifts are nice, I have a LC500 also, and they are great, but the Jag is just as good. Different tone, but still has that great sound, I think that it sounds great, just need some rpms since the valves will partially close below 3500 rpm.
Also upshifts and downshifts are very quick.
 

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Originally Posted by piperman
According to the manual????? The P450 2024 has it also.
Just coz it's in the manual doesn't mean the car has it, for many years now on pretty much all Jags the Owner Manual has been generic regardless of sub-model or spec so the manual has pretty much everything in it whether it is fitted to the car or not.
From the start back in 2013 the only F-Type with launch control was the V6S and it stayed that way for many years and I suspect that is still the case, ie no launch control on the V8. Yes, according to JLR the reason launch control was restricted to the V6 was that the V8 (at least in the original 2013/2014 V8S and then the R) put out too much torque for the launch control system to handle without risk of gearbox damage.
You would think that once the V6 was discontinued in North America and IF launch control was still restricted to the V6 that JLR would have deleted it from the NAS Owner Manual, but there are numerous examples showing where the Owner Manual was not updated or is just plain wrong so I suspect they have continued with the old/out of date manual.
Also, the auto box has been the ZF 8HP70 from the get-go and I have never read of it being updated in the F-Type to the higher torque spec 8HP90 (70 signifying max torque spec of 700 Nm, 90 signifying 900 Nm), surely if this fairly significant update/upgrade had occurred we would be reading all about it?
 
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You may be correct, I don't know. I can't find any info on the tranny in the 23-24 R.
 
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Originally Posted by piperman
You may be correct, I don't know. I can't find any info on the tranny in the 23-24 R.
Easy enough to resolve this debate - just go ahead and try to invoke launch control and see what does (or does not) happen, especially the confirmation message.
Disclaimer - although my car definitely has it I have never tried to invoke it let alone use it!
 
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I'll give it a try next time I'm out.
 
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I've got launch control with my 6MT:


 
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I'm suspecting the Rs won't have LC, but the P450s have significantly less torque, so maybe those? Somebody with a P450 should try too.
 
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Originally Posted by JCtx
I'm suspecting the Rs won't have LC, but the P450s have significantly less torque, so maybe those? Somebody with a P450 should try too.
According to the JLR Australia web site the R has 700 Nm and the P450 has 580 Nm so I would say yes significantly less torque.
But even then the R torque figure is just within the (very conservative) max specified for the 8HP70.
And despite mucho searching I can't find any mention of the exact trans spec, ie is it the 8HP70 or 8HP90???
 


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