LED headlight recomendations?
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i have full adaptive (beam shaping) led headlights on my F80 M3 - it's a cool trick when following cars to have the beam shape around the car in front, but in terms of actual lumens output they are nowhere near as good as a decent HID/Xenon projector setup
i've now ran the oe osram 4300k, osram cbi 5000k and philips ultinon 6000k in my f-type - unfortunately these latest mercury free bulbs just lack colour at any kelvin
in terms of output, the cbi have been the best
as much as the temptation is there to notch mod a D1S bulb and put in our D3S housing, the oe D3S ballast is only delivering 42 volts and the D1S need 85V, so they would either flicker or not turn on at all
i've now ran the oe osram 4300k, osram cbi 5000k and philips ultinon 6000k in my f-type - unfortunately these latest mercury free bulbs just lack colour at any kelvin
in terms of output, the cbi have been the best
as much as the temptation is there to notch mod a D1S bulb and put in our D3S housing, the oe D3S ballast is only delivering 42 volts and the D1S need 85V, so they would either flicker or not turn on at all
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Originally Posted by zmoothg
...There are crappy implementations of the LED, such as the one found on the Audi R8 , Jaguar XF, Ducati. Good implementations include the new 911s and the new Honda Civic...
Your only hope for LED lighting is to get your hands on the headlamps from a new F-Type '18, which would be costly and looking at how Jaguar designed its LED headlamps for the XF and F-Pace I have huge doubt they will out perform our HIDs.
Your only hope for LED lighting is to get your hands on the headlamps from a new F-Type '18, which would be costly and looking at how Jaguar designed its LED headlamps for the XF and F-Pace I have huge doubt they will out perform our HIDs.
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Again as everyone has stated. It's not just about the bulb, the optics of the reflectors or lens matter. My CBI look amazing on my car but I also replaced the fresnel lens with a clear one from theretrofitsource. However while better than any other ftype the Honda Civic LEDS still out perform.
I can take photos of my Guinea pig headlamp if you need. You will clearly see there is no room in the rear to install an aftermarket LED due to the large fan needed by most of the aftermarket LED bulbs. If you are willing to try to create a custom rubber sealer you might have a chance, but would also need to find a LED that works for D3S or D1S. I think theretrofitsource has one for D1S. Maybe I'll get around this summer to attempting a LED conversion on the extra headlamp.
I can take photos of my Guinea pig headlamp if you need. You will clearly see there is no room in the rear to install an aftermarket LED due to the large fan needed by most of the aftermarket LED bulbs. If you are willing to try to create a custom rubber sealer you might have a chance, but would also need to find a LED that works for D3S or D1S. I think theretrofitsource has one for D1S. Maybe I'll get around this summer to attempting a LED conversion on the extra headlamp.
The D1S CBI were pretty nice in the BMW I used to have... I guess I'll try the D3S CBI if all else fails.
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i just swapped out my philips ultinon 6000k back to osram cbi
the cbi are definitely brighter, it's very obvious, colour (or lack of) is just something we're going to have to live with on these d3s - until someone becomes the guinea pig for an oe led swap
anyone want to try a set of philips ultinon 6000k for cheap now that i've ummm talked them down? pm me
the cbi are definitely brighter, it's very obvious, colour (or lack of) is just something we're going to have to live with on these d3s - until someone becomes the guinea pig for an oe led swap
anyone want to try a set of philips ultinon 6000k for cheap now that i've ummm talked them down? pm me
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i just swapped out my philips ultinon 6000k back to osram cbi
the cbi are definitely brighter, it's very obvious, colour (or lack of) is just something we're going to have to live with on these d3s - until someone becomes the guinea pig for an oe led swap
anyone want to try a set of philips ultinon 6000k for cheap now that i've ummm talked them down? pm me![Icon Sad](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
the cbi are definitely brighter, it's very obvious, colour (or lack of) is just something we're going to have to live with on these d3s - until someone becomes the guinea pig for an oe led swap
anyone want to try a set of philips ultinon 6000k for cheap now that i've ummm talked them down? pm me
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i just swapped out my philips ultinon 6000k back to osram cbi
the cbi are definitely brighter, it's very obvious, colour (or lack of) is just something we're going to have to live with on these d3s - until someone becomes the guinea pig for an oe led swap
anyone want to try a set of philips ultinon 6000k for cheap now that i've ummm talked them down? pm me![Icon Sad](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
the cbi are definitely brighter, it's very obvious, colour (or lack of) is just something we're going to have to live with on these d3s - until someone becomes the guinea pig for an oe led swap
anyone want to try a set of philips ultinon 6000k for cheap now that i've ummm talked them down? pm me
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Tried the Philips Ultinon 6K bulbs too. Agree. Not as bright. I noticed Philips came out with a European market "White Vision" (WV) bulb which replaces the Ultinon 6K. I don't see that one performing better than the CBI though. (Source: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...te-vision.html)
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i just ordered a set of brex d3s 6000k - these are a japanese made bulb
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/c...item/10000433/
as i posted above, the philips ultinon in d3s app had a blue tinge to them which i did not like, and did not match led colour output at all
the brex at 6000k look to have that perfect purple led colour i've been trying to find
pic below is philips 6000k vs brex 6000k in d3s - colour of the philips is pretty much on point with what i saw, and even the hot spot of the brex looks brighter
more pics here
http://www.craftsman-jp.com/blog/sonobe/?p=1786
http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/c...item/10000433/
as i posted above, the philips ultinon in d3s app had a blue tinge to them which i did not like, and did not match led colour output at all
the brex at 6000k look to have that perfect purple led colour i've been trying to find
pic below is philips 6000k vs brex 6000k in d3s - colour of the philips is pretty much on point with what i saw, and even the hot spot of the brex looks brighter
more pics here
http://www.craftsman-jp.com/blog/sonobe/?p=1786
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I sense the OSRAM CBI is about the best we can expect out of the OEM optics for the D3S application.
Tried the Philips Ultinon 6K bulbs too. Agree. Not as bright. I noticed Philips came out with a European market "White Vision" (WV) bulb which replaces the Ultinon 6K. I don't see that one performing better than the CBI though. (Source: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...te-vision.html)
Tried the Philips Ultinon 6K bulbs too. Agree. Not as bright. I noticed Philips came out with a European market "White Vision" (WV) bulb which replaces the Ultinon 6K. I don't see that one performing better than the CBI though. (Source: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...te-vision.html)
will definitely give them a go too once i've tried the brex 6000k
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Hey Dom, did you do the bulb replacements yourself or get someone to do them for you?
Coz I'm looking to change the bulbs as well, and I just had a little play around in the engine bay to see how hard or easy it is to do, and I couldn't figure out how to remove the bulbs. Easy enough to get the dust covers off the back of the headlight assemblies, but then not a lot of room to move to get at the bulbs. Easier on the LHS (passenger side on an Oz RHD car) by unbolting the power steering reservoir and pushing it out of the way, but a real PITA on the RHS due to the fuse and charging point box in the way, which even after unbolting is stuck where it is due to the cables in the bottom of it. Do the bulbs just pull straight out or do you need to "twist and pull"? And even if you could get them out this way it looks as though there is little or no slack in the power cable so it could be difficult. It would obviously be a lot easier with the whole headlight assembly removed from the car, but I couldn't see how to do that without dropping the front clip right off the car!
Coz I'm looking to change the bulbs as well, and I just had a little play around in the engine bay to see how hard or easy it is to do, and I couldn't figure out how to remove the bulbs. Easy enough to get the dust covers off the back of the headlight assemblies, but then not a lot of room to move to get at the bulbs. Easier on the LHS (passenger side on an Oz RHD car) by unbolting the power steering reservoir and pushing it out of the way, but a real PITA on the RHS due to the fuse and charging point box in the way, which even after unbolting is stuck where it is due to the cables in the bottom of it. Do the bulbs just pull straight out or do you need to "twist and pull"? And even if you could get them out this way it looks as though there is little or no slack in the power cable so it could be difficult. It would obviously be a lot easier with the whole headlight assembly removed from the car, but I couldn't see how to do that without dropping the front clip right off the car!
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Hey Dom, did you do the bulb replacements yourself or get someone to do them for you?
Coz I'm looking to change the bulbs as well, and I just had a little play around in the engine bay to see how hard or easy it is to do, and I couldn't figure out how to remove the bulbs. Easy enough to get the dust covers off the back of the headlight assemblies, but then not a lot of room to move to get at the bulbs. Easier on the LHS (passenger side on an Oz RHD car) by unbolting the power steering reservoir and pushing it out of the way, but a real PITA on the RHS due to the fuse and charging point box in the way, which even after unbolting is stuck where it is due to the cables in the bottom of it. Do the bulbs just pull straight out or do you need to "twist and pull"? And even if you could get them out this way it looks as though there is little or no slack in the power cable so it could be difficult. It would obviously be a lot easier with the whole headlight assembly removed from the car, but I couldn't see how to do that without dropping the front clip right off the car!
Coz I'm looking to change the bulbs as well, and I just had a little play around in the engine bay to see how hard or easy it is to do, and I couldn't figure out how to remove the bulbs. Easy enough to get the dust covers off the back of the headlight assemblies, but then not a lot of room to move to get at the bulbs. Easier on the LHS (passenger side on an Oz RHD car) by unbolting the power steering reservoir and pushing it out of the way, but a real PITA on the RHS due to the fuse and charging point box in the way, which even after unbolting is stuck where it is due to the cables in the bottom of it. Do the bulbs just pull straight out or do you need to "twist and pull"? And even if you could get them out this way it looks as though there is little or no slack in the power cable so it could be difficult. It would obviously be a lot easier with the whole headlight assembly removed from the car, but I couldn't see how to do that without dropping the front clip right off the car!
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i just ordered a set of brex d3s 6000k - these are a japanese made bulb
Craftsman | Rakuten Global Market: BREX HID ULTRA Blighter107 BYC307 D3S6000K / brex
as i posted above, the philips ultinon in d3s app had a blue tinge to them which i did not like, and did not match led colour output at all
the brex at 6000k look to have that perfect purple led colour i've been trying to find
pic below is philips 6000k vs brex 6000k in d3s - colour of the philips is pretty much on point with what i saw, and even the hot spot of the brex looks brighter
more pics here
BREX ULTRA Blighter107 ?????(D3S BYC307?)? | Sonobe's Blog - Craftsman Inc.
Craftsman | Rakuten Global Market: BREX HID ULTRA Blighter107 BYC307 D3S6000K / brex
as i posted above, the philips ultinon in d3s app had a blue tinge to them which i did not like, and did not match led colour output at all
the brex at 6000k look to have that perfect purple led colour i've been trying to find
pic below is philips 6000k vs brex 6000k in d3s - colour of the philips is pretty much on point with what i saw, and even the hot spot of the brex looks brighter
more pics here
BREX ULTRA Blighter107 ?????(D3S BYC307?)? | Sonobe's Blog - Craftsman Inc.
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re removal, this took me a bit of head scratching, as initially the metal plug on the base of the bulb was just not budging - you have to push down on the tab and pull down at same time - an impossible task with the clearance and sharp metal edges
so here's what i do;
i cut a toothpick in half, and wedged it between the tab to hold it open, then i wrapped a mf towel around the edges and pulled the metal tab down while wiggling it. the bulb is held in with a plastic collar with tabs you can feel for, you rotate that collar maybe 1/4 turn anti clockwise and you'll feel it unlock. the bulb is then held in by a series of metal spring loaded fingers, so just grab the base of the bulb by the edges and pull straight out - when replacing make sure it clips all the way in evenly otherwise the plastic collar won't rotate and lock in place
re the drivers side (RHD) fuse box, undo both bolts, and you can rotate it out the way towards the front of the car. also remove the headlight plug, and that gives you enough clearance
so here's what i do;
i cut a toothpick in half, and wedged it between the tab to hold it open, then i wrapped a mf towel around the edges and pulled the metal tab down while wiggling it. the bulb is held in with a plastic collar with tabs you can feel for, you rotate that collar maybe 1/4 turn anti clockwise and you'll feel it unlock. the bulb is then held in by a series of metal spring loaded fingers, so just grab the base of the bulb by the edges and pull straight out - when replacing make sure it clips all the way in evenly otherwise the plastic collar won't rotate and lock in place
re the drivers side (RHD) fuse box, undo both bolts, and you can rotate it out the way towards the front of the car. also remove the headlight plug, and that gives you enough clearance
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re removal, this took me a bit of head scratching, as initially the metal plug on the base of the bulb was just not budging - you have to push down on the tab and pull down at same time - an impossible task with the clearance and sharp metal edges
so here's what i do;
i cut a toothpick in half, and wedged it between the tab to hold it open, then i wrapped a mf towel around the edges and pulled the metal tab down while wiggling it. the bulb is held in with a plastic collar with tabs you can feel for, you rotate that collar maybe 1/4 turn anti clockwise and you'll feel it unlock. the bulb is then held in by a series of metal spring loaded fingers, so just grab the base of the bulb by the edges and pull straight out - when replacing make sure it clips all the way in evenly otherwise the plastic collar won't rotate and lock in place
re the drivers side (RHD) fuse box, undo both bolts, and you can rotate it out the way towards the front of the car. also remove the headlight plug, and that gives you enough clearance
so here's what i do;
i cut a toothpick in half, and wedged it between the tab to hold it open, then i wrapped a mf towel around the edges and pulled the metal tab down while wiggling it. the bulb is held in with a plastic collar with tabs you can feel for, you rotate that collar maybe 1/4 turn anti clockwise and you'll feel it unlock. the bulb is then held in by a series of metal spring loaded fingers, so just grab the base of the bulb by the edges and pull straight out - when replacing make sure it clips all the way in evenly otherwise the plastic collar won't rotate and lock in place
re the drivers side (RHD) fuse box, undo both bolts, and you can rotate it out the way towards the front of the car. also remove the headlight plug, and that gives you enough clearance
When you say "metal plug" and "tab", do you mean the metal connector which holds the wiring cable onto the base (igniter) of the bulb, at right angles to it?
Coz that makes sense to me as the only way to get the bulb out.
In the past on other cars with HIDs I've been able to "twist and pull" the bulb out without releasing the cable first, and then undo that clip and release the cable.
Regards the fuse box, yes I undid and removed both nuts, and lifted it off the mounting bolts, but the damn thing still wouldn't move more than a cm or so in any direction! Maybe the V8 set-up is different to the V6, but I doubt it.
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Dom,
When you say "metal plug" and "tab", do you mean the metal connector which holds the wiring cable onto the base (igniter) of the bulb, at right angles to it?
Coz that makes sense to me as the only way to get the bulb out.
In the past on other cars with HIDs I've been able to "twist and pull" the bulb out without releasing the cable first, and then undo that clip and release the cable.
Regards the fuse box, yes I undid and removed both nuts, and lifted it off the mounting bolts, but the damn thing still wouldn't move more than a cm or so in any direction! Maybe the V8 set-up is different to the V6, but I doubt it.
When you say "metal plug" and "tab", do you mean the metal connector which holds the wiring cable onto the base (igniter) of the bulb, at right angles to it?
Coz that makes sense to me as the only way to get the bulb out.
In the past on other cars with HIDs I've been able to "twist and pull" the bulb out without releasing the cable first, and then undo that clip and release the cable.
Regards the fuse box, yes I undid and removed both nuts, and lifted it off the mounting bolts, but the damn thing still wouldn't move more than a cm or so in any direction! Maybe the V8 set-up is different to the V6, but I doubt it.
re metal plug and tab, yes the plug on the end of the bulb
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I'm puzzled since I've never noticed a green-color in any of the xenon bulbs I've tried in the past (in many different OEM xenon-equipped vehicles). Figure the Jag's OEM projector and the design of the mercury-free D3S bulb (capsule mixture/power requirement) both contribute somehow. In any event, your Brex bulb appears to have eliminated any trace of green.