LOUDER, 850 HP 2021 F-Type
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2021 F-Type R ideal specs
* 7.5L Supercharged V12
* Target 850 HP / 780 TQ
* 335 / 305 Sport Cup 2s
* 1" wider rear fender flares
* Add a HP limiter to snow mode
* Do away with auto start-stop
* Make the Eco button a "1320" button with a 140 mph spoiler delay
* No infotainment system, no center screen
* Rearview cam and front splitter cam on mirror
* Add double paddle pull to enter Neutral
* Move paddles to stalk, make them larger in aluminum
* Bluetooth-only sound system
* Add a solid 10" amplified subwoofer
* Thinner, lighter carbon seat backs for 1.5" more leg room
* Same cup holders
The SVR can go away. The 4 cylinder needs to go, it hurts the F-Type brand. It is a self inflicted gun shot wound. The CX16 should be built as a low production $1M halo car showcasing the V12 in the F-Type plus electric assist to 1100+ HP.
* 7.5L Supercharged V12
* Target 850 HP / 780 TQ
* 335 / 305 Sport Cup 2s
* 1" wider rear fender flares
* Add a HP limiter to snow mode
* Do away with auto start-stop
* Make the Eco button a "1320" button with a 140 mph spoiler delay
* No infotainment system, no center screen
* Rearview cam and front splitter cam on mirror
* Add double paddle pull to enter Neutral
* Move paddles to stalk, make them larger in aluminum
* Bluetooth-only sound system
* Add a solid 10" amplified subwoofer
* Thinner, lighter carbon seat backs for 1.5" more leg room
* Same cup holders
The SVR can go away. The 4 cylinder needs to go, it hurts the F-Type brand. It is a self inflicted gun shot wound. The CX16 should be built as a low production $1M halo car showcasing the V12 in the F-Type plus electric assist to 1100+ HP.
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If it wasn't for easy tuning options the F-Type's 550 HP would be more behind right now.
It seems the UK and the US are in two different worlds. The UK craves fuel economy and restraint, while the US market wants outrageous muscle and an even more racaus exhaust.
Jaguar needs to decide if the F-Type is a double-priced Civic R rival, or a fire-breathing GT supercar. It can't be both.
Last edited by RacerX; 09-23-2019 at 05:56 PM.
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This is on top of what we already have, right? OK, this is what would tickle my fancy...
A lightweight 4 - 4.2 litre v8 without the raspy noise, and with a supercharger that whines away. Rear windows in the coupe that go down so you can hear the exhaust better.
A slushbox auto with a shifter that mimics a manual in shifts rather than tipping backward and forward - ie it can be driven as a clutchless manual (as well as paddles).
Wider stock wheels to fill out the arches, all wheels should be lightweight, 21 inch should be no cost option;
Target sprint time 0 - 100kph maybe just under 4 seconds - 3 point something gets people much more excited than 4 point something (personally I dont really care but a lot of people buy on stats);
Slotted rotors should be standard or no cost option;
Loud mode should be standard, but quiet mode (and quiet start) selectable;
RWD option for V8;
Default for auto stop/start should be off;
HUD (not really needed if the digital speedo is at the top of the instrument cluster, but OK).
Clearsight mirror tech for F Type (though I dont use it in the XE so much).
A lightweight 4 - 4.2 litre v8 without the raspy noise, and with a supercharger that whines away. Rear windows in the coupe that go down so you can hear the exhaust better.
A slushbox auto with a shifter that mimics a manual in shifts rather than tipping backward and forward - ie it can be driven as a clutchless manual (as well as paddles).
Wider stock wheels to fill out the arches, all wheels should be lightweight, 21 inch should be no cost option;
Target sprint time 0 - 100kph maybe just under 4 seconds - 3 point something gets people much more excited than 4 point something (personally I dont really care but a lot of people buy on stats);
Slotted rotors should be standard or no cost option;
Loud mode should be standard, but quiet mode (and quiet start) selectable;
RWD option for V8;
Default for auto stop/start should be off;
HUD (not really needed if the digital speedo is at the top of the instrument cluster, but OK).
Clearsight mirror tech for F Type (though I dont use it in the XE so much).
Last edited by BruceTheQuail; 09-24-2019 at 04:48 PM.
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That'd be tops on my list. A 3L V8 that revs to 12,000 would be pretty nice too, although perhaps not ideal for daily driving (or my hearing). Even the Mustang GT Convertible I just rented on vacation had a V8 with a 7500 redline. A V6 should go to at least 8K.
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There are two ways to generate HP. High torque and low RPM where the manufacturer funds HP, and low torque at high RPM where the customer pays for HP through exponentially more frequent maintenance.
HP is linear to torque, HP = Torque x RPM, but engine wear is exponential to RPM. So small, high RPM engines are really about manufacturers cheaping out.
A low torque engine can be smaller and lighter, but it can take a long time to reach redline HP because acceleration is weak. F=MA, so Acceleration=Torque/Weight.
Generally, high RPM, low torque engines are for sustained high speed races where the engine gets replaced between sprints, light super weak 1.6L 250 ft-lb/800HP F1 cars.
High torque, low RPM is best for racing between stop lights and low maintence, long lifecycle solutions.
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I didn't say it'd be practical: in fact the opposite. Most of what you say is true. When I said it wouldn't be ideal for daily driving I was understating the case. It would be entertaining in the right circumstances but this whole thread is pipe dreams anyway.
If I were looking at more practical suggestions, I'd go with:
Lighter (at the expense of luxury)
Opposed piston calipers (seriously, they're already in the JLR parts bin)
Stronger clutch (yeah, I won't give up the MT without a fight)
In other words, turn the GT into a Sport. I knowingly bought a GT though, so can't complain too loudly.
If I were looking at more practical suggestions, I'd go with:
Lighter (at the expense of luxury)
Opposed piston calipers (seriously, they're already in the JLR parts bin)
Stronger clutch (yeah, I won't give up the MT without a fight)
In other words, turn the GT into a Sport. I knowingly bought a GT though, so can't complain too loudly.
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And yeah, the claimed weights are <cough cough> charitable.
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The twin turbo 3.0 in our Maser makes 424hp and 414 ftlbs at 1700. Supposedly Ferrari is working on a 550-600hp version for an upcoming "opening" range model. A V6 still has a way to go. In sport mode our Maser is only slightly slower to 60 than my V6S. Also the new straight sixes from Merc are very hot in the different versions.
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The twin turbo 3.0 in our Maser makes 424hp and 414 ftlbs at 1700. Supposedly Ferrari is working on a 550-600hp version for an upcoming "opening" range model. A V6 still has a way to go. In sport mode our Maser is only slightly slower to 60 than my V6S. Also the new straight sixes from Merc are very hot in the different versions.
Last edited by RacerX; 09-30-2019 at 02:12 PM.
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