Manual take rate as low as 3% for F-Type
#41
I am afraid not. Also here in EU I am 99.9% sure that the F Type is far more sold with AT than MT.
On the biggest German website of new and second hand cars the following is listed for sale: (My search criteria: F Type S coupe model age 2015/2016)
-cars for sale with AT= +-250pcs
-cars for sale with MT= +-3pcs
I think that says it all. I simply think that the type of F buyer isn't into MT... MT's are a dying breed even for brands like Porsche... MUCH more sales in AT's...
So I don't think having a MT will be better for it's resale value... there simply isn't enough interest in MT's. Maybe if you sell the car in 25 years you will get a little better price compared to AT but I am not buying for collection purpose.
On the biggest German website of new and second hand cars the following is listed for sale: (My search criteria: F Type S coupe model age 2015/2016)
-cars for sale with AT= +-250pcs
-cars for sale with MT= +-3pcs
I think that says it all. I simply think that the type of F buyer isn't into MT... MT's are a dying breed even for brands like Porsche... MUCH more sales in AT's...
So I don't think having a MT will be better for it's resale value... there simply isn't enough interest in MT's. Maybe if you sell the car in 25 years you will get a little better price compared to AT but I am not buying for collection purpose.
You are indeed correct. Manual take rates may be low in the US, but they are certainly much, much higher than over here. Even for 911s the rate is now below 4%. Try to find a 991.2 in manual, I dare you. I would have gotten my R as a manual if it had been available, but, alas, it was not to be - it's my only "problem" with the car. Though I'm not knocking it in the least, a V6 was never in the cards for me as it would not have been any faster than my old 997 and I really wanted more grunt.
Back to the discussion at hand: in the long run, or even in the medium term, the manual is going to be worth a lot more. Firstly due to rarity and secondly because these cars are becoming more affordable to enthusiasts. Most people buying these cars new are not like us - many are not buying for the driving experience. Look at 991.1s now - manuals are already highly sought after on the used market. Early Carrera S are now in the 75k to 85k (same as a used F-Type R, I might add) range with the manual usually demanding a higher price already! The more a car moves into enthusiast territory through depreciation, the higher the demand for manual transmissions.
That being said, all "really long term" discussions are quite pointless anyhow. In 25 years, I'm not even sure we'll be allowed to drive ourselves anymore.
Last edited by freeman2344; 12-05-2016 at 05:00 PM.
#42
Yes Freeman I think we are on the same page.
Last weekend I was at a Porsche dealer and there where 5pcs 991's ready to be delivered... guess what? Zero MT... all PDK...
The Porsche models for the true sportscar enthousiast (GT4/GT3 and GT3 RS) are the only ones who will benefit (€) on short term from the 'rare' MT choice.
That being said I don't think that the F Type will fully benefit if you take a 'rare' MT example now. Simply because it isn't a limited production car. Sure in x years (long term) your manual F Type might be a few percent better value than it's AT equivalent but not like some Porsches where I would buy one just to invest or speculate on major price raises. (+20% on retail within max 3 years after purchase).
Last weekend I was at a Porsche dealer and there where 5pcs 991's ready to be delivered... guess what? Zero MT... all PDK...
The Porsche models for the true sportscar enthousiast (GT4/GT3 and GT3 RS) are the only ones who will benefit (€) on short term from the 'rare' MT choice.
That being said I don't think that the F Type will fully benefit if you take a 'rare' MT example now. Simply because it isn't a limited production car. Sure in x years (long term) your manual F Type might be a few percent better value than it's AT equivalent but not like some Porsches where I would buy one just to invest or speculate on major price raises. (+20% on retail within max 3 years after purchase).
Last edited by -krikke-; 12-05-2016 at 06:34 PM.
#43
BTW, the only reason I am sort of obsessed with conversation about the MT is this simple fact:
As much as I think the F-Type is the most beautiful car in the world, I wouldn't be driving one if it was an automatic. Not even a question. I wonder what I would have ended up in?
As much as I think the F-Type is the most beautiful car in the world, I wouldn't be driving one if it was an automatic. Not even a question. I wonder what I would have ended up in?
#44
Yes Freeman I think we are on the same page.
Last weekend I was at a Porsche dealer and there where 5pcs 991's ready to be delivered... guess what? Zero MT... all PDK...
The Porsche models for the true sportscar enthousiast (GT4/GT3 and GT3 RS) are the only ones who will benefit (€) on short term from the 'rare' MT choice.
That being said I don't think that the F Type will fully benefit if you take a 'rare' MT example now. Simply because it isn't a limited production car. Sure in x years (long term) your manual F Type might be a few percent better value than it's AT equivalent but not like some Porsches where I would buy one just to invest or speculate on major price raises. (+20% on retail within max 3 years after purchase).
Last weekend I was at a Porsche dealer and there where 5pcs 991's ready to be delivered... guess what? Zero MT... all PDK...
The Porsche models for the true sportscar enthousiast (GT4/GT3 and GT3 RS) are the only ones who will benefit (€) on short term from the 'rare' MT choice.
That being said I don't think that the F Type will fully benefit if you take a 'rare' MT example now. Simply because it isn't a limited production car. Sure in x years (long term) your manual F Type might be a few percent better value than it's AT equivalent but not like some Porsches where I would buy one just to invest or speculate on major price raises. (+20% on retail within max 3 years after purchase).
I had my 997 for 3 years and got to drive a lot of courtesy cars (my 997 was in the shop all the time, part of the reason I'm here now ) - everything from the lowest 981.1 Boxster to 991.1 C4S and not ONCE did I get a manual. I never even SAW one at my OPC. In fact, before I bought the F-Type I was toying with the idea of placing an order for a 991.2 and the Porsche sales guy very actively tried to talk me out of ordering the manual. It seems to me that Porsche would love to do away with manuals in the lesser models - if only to put out more "special collector's cars", which then get the manuals. Things will get interesting if the new GT3 actually gets a manual again next year.
#45
I hope you mean soulless design?
As for precision and handling the Cayman GTS is the reference in it's class. Not to mention the GT4 who is playing in a whole other league. (I am talking about track driving/handling/brakes/suspension/feedback) not boulevard driving...
As for precision and handling the Cayman GTS is the reference in it's class. Not to mention the GT4 who is playing in a whole other league. (I am talking about track driving/handling/brakes/suspension/feedback) not boulevard driving...
#46
#48
I hope you mean soulless design?
As for precision and handling the Cayman GTS is the reference in it's class. Not to mention the GT4 who is playing in a whole other league. (I am talking about track driving/handling/brakes/suspension/feedback) not boulevard driving...
As for precision and handling the Cayman GTS is the reference in it's class. Not to mention the GT4 who is playing in a whole other league. (I am talking about track driving/handling/brakes/suspension/feedback) not boulevard driving...
#49
F-type is ***** out fun on the track, and while 911 and C7 are faster and more agile, they are not out of range where skill could make up for it.
Please make sure to show support if ever my spouse comes to post here that I died in a wreck on a track. But at least I will die still grinning.
Please make sure to show support if ever my spouse comes to post here that I died in a wreck on a track. But at least I will die still grinning.
#52
#53
2 cents,
Dave
#54
I was referring to how much more engaging a manual car is compared to an automatic.
#56
As you mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of personal taste. As good as the ZF 8HP tranny is, I don't find it anywhere as engaging as a pedestrian 6 sp manual. I truly tried to love it so I could buy the V8, but after substantial test driving, I just couldn't catch the fever.
#57
As you mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of personal taste. As good as the ZF 8HP tranny is, I don't find it anywhere as engaging as a pedestrian 6 sp manual. I truly tried to love it so I could buy the V8, but after substantial test driving, I just couldn't catch the fever.
Cheers,
Dave
#58
Hell... this is the first article I've seen where someone hates on the 6cyl manual vs the 8cyl AT. https://www.carthrottle.com/post/how...e-epic-v8-awd/
Yeah.. personal preference, and there's no reason to fight about MT vs AT. It's all the same avenues to joy.
I do remember some negative press with early production models for reviewers.... our volvo parts did not impress in the early rounds of bloggers and mags reporting on it. Once that was changed and fixed, the later reports didn't get in front of the press well enough to impact previous perception?
Yeah.. personal preference, and there's no reason to fight about MT vs AT. It's all the same avenues to joy.
I do remember some negative press with early production models for reviewers.... our volvo parts did not impress in the early rounds of bloggers and mags reporting on it. Once that was changed and fixed, the later reports didn't get in front of the press well enough to impact previous perception?
#59
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#60
Hell... this is the first article I've seen where someone hates on the 6cyl manual vs the 8cyl AT. https://www.carthrottle.com/post/how...e-epic-v8-awd/
Yeah.. personal preference, and there's no reason to fight about MT vs AT. It's all the same avenues to joy.
I do remember some negative press with early production models for reviewers.... our volvo parts did not impress in the early rounds of bloggers and mags reporting on it. Once that was changed and fixed, the later reports didn't get in front of the press well enough to impact previous perception?
Yeah.. personal preference, and there's no reason to fight about MT vs AT. It's all the same avenues to joy.
I do remember some negative press with early production models for reviewers.... our volvo parts did not impress in the early rounds of bloggers and mags reporting on it. Once that was changed and fixed, the later reports didn't get in front of the press well enough to impact previous perception?