Manual Transmission panned
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Tar1018 (04-11-2015)
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Maybe it just needs a new (short?) shifter upgrade? There are several for the BMWs (will they fit?).
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I'd also like to know how a manual transmission cuts almost a second out of the zero to sixty time... But generally I tend not to take articles too seriously when they can't even get the model year right.
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It's either a typo or misunderstanding by the mag. However, it is rather bizarre to be introducing 2016 models, when 2015 has barely begun. For whatever reasons, they've convinced themselves that being 6 months ahead of everyone else provides some sort of advantage.
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That article had close to zero credibility as far as I'm concerned. I'm not doubting the numbers produced by the writer/driver, but I do question the skill level.
The perspective was decidedly off as indicated by the seemingly befuddled observation, "traditionally manuals are quicker [than automatics]" . . . , and if you place the emphasis on traditional, that was true. However, it should have also been noted that contest flipped about a decade ago, as automatic technology (including DCTs) became continually more sophisticated with computers making much faster inputs than humans are capable of.
Lastly, who cares? For certain "purists," it will be more fun!!!!!
The perspective was decidedly off as indicated by the seemingly befuddled observation, "traditionally manuals are quicker [than automatics]" . . . , and if you place the emphasis on traditional, that was true. However, it should have also been noted that contest flipped about a decade ago, as automatic technology (including DCTs) became continually more sophisticated with computers making much faster inputs than humans are capable of.
Lastly, who cares? For certain "purists," it will be more fun!!!!!
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Using paddles my I came out at 25+ mpg in automatic mode, and about 22.5 mpg using the paddles only. The obvious conclusion is that the automatic is very aggressive in keeping rpms to a minimum until you stand on the throttle, whereas when driving in manual mode, one has a tendency to keep the revs considerably higher.
Interestingly that's about the same 5mpg difference in the "Car Magazine" test.
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jaguny (04-20-2015)
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The perspective was decidedly off as indicated by the seemingly befuddled observation, "traditionally manuals are quicker [than automatics]" . . . , and if you place the emphasis on traditional, that was true. However, it should have also been noted that contest flipped about a decade ago, as automatic technology (including DCTs) became continually more sophisticated with computers making much faster inputs than humans are capable of.
Lastly, who cares? For certain "purists," it will be more fun!!!!!
Lastly, who cares? For certain "purists," it will be more fun!!!!!
Here was the choice for me:
Automatic: 0-60 in 3.not much, lightning fast and precise shifts
Manual: 0-60 in 5.3or4, rubbery, notchy and long throws
Clear choice for me, no hesitation. (...and I have a room waiting for me at the looney bin)
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In the UK its still a 2015 model. It's a US thing to label it a 2016 model at the beginning of 2015.
MPG and acceleration differences are all down to the transmission.
If manual transmission is your thing you won't be satisfied with an auto so even if subjectively one reviewer prefers the auto I am sure the manual is still an excellent car. It's all down to personal preference and degrees of excellence.
Car magazine is very well respected and it's unusual for a UK publication to favor an auto over manual. They are very much pro manual and anti auto culturally over there.
MPG and acceleration differences are all down to the transmission.
If manual transmission is your thing you won't be satisfied with an auto so even if subjectively one reviewer prefers the auto I am sure the manual is still an excellent car. It's all down to personal preference and degrees of excellence.
Car magazine is very well respected and it's unusual for a UK publication to favor an auto over manual. They are very much pro manual and anti auto culturally over there.
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Thanks to our UK members for chiming in, I was going to post that the UK typically doesn't treat model years as we do in the U.S. (and the crazy way we seem to get "next year's" models early in the calendar year).
As others have said, Car is an excellent mag and Ben Barry is a good reviewer. I get it every month along with Evo.
Bottom line though is it's great that we have one of the few cars in the class available with a manual and the choice between that or the excellent ZF 8 speed. I miss the manual in my 911 from time to time but I'm very happy with the ZF. I'm certainly looking forward to taking a test drive in the manual F Type at some point.
As others have said, Car is an excellent mag and Ben Barry is a good reviewer. I get it every month along with Evo.
Bottom line though is it's great that we have one of the few cars in the class available with a manual and the choice between that or the excellent ZF 8 speed. I miss the manual in my 911 from time to time but I'm very happy with the ZF. I'm certainly looking forward to taking a test drive in the manual F Type at some point.
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