Mid-engine F-type
#21
#22
This looks mid-engine-ish
https://youtu.be/Bcaa-Jypb1U
or an EV. Or just marketing. Just thought it looks a bit similar.
https://youtu.be/Bcaa-Jypb1U
or an EV. Or just marketing. Just thought it looks a bit similar.
Its like racaus cars aren't wanted or even tolerated by the safe space generation. I hope they made enough F-Types to keep the used market going til I die.
#24
Everything has to be looked at in relation to relativity(my apologies to Mr. Einstein). If we were looking just for comfort when we drove we would be all driving Lincoln Town cars or Cadillac Escalades. If we were worried about economy, we would be in VW Beetles, or such.
We drive our F-Types because we like the looks, performance, etc. If Coventry produces a Mid-engine version, I am sure they will have done more than enough research to know if it will fly(??). I only hope by the time they do they realize that an EV version that goes less than 500 miles /charge is not going to make it with the mass public. Hopefully any mid-engine Jag would be Hybrid and accommodate a driver that is at least 6' 2". There are a few of us 'Large economy size drivers out here. We are not all potential 'Kentucky Derby' winners.
We drive our F-Types because we like the looks, performance, etc. If Coventry produces a Mid-engine version, I am sure they will have done more than enough research to know if it will fly(??). I only hope by the time they do they realize that an EV version that goes less than 500 miles /charge is not going to make it with the mass public. Hopefully any mid-engine Jag would be Hybrid and accommodate a driver that is at least 6' 2". There are a few of us 'Large economy size drivers out here. We are not all potential 'Kentucky Derby' winners.
#25
The C8 has raised an imaginary bar. The actual bar won't move until its moved. If you look at Dragy, which is the first and only objective and verified source of true performance data, front engine cars are incredibly dominant over mid engine cars. So I don't buy the "track focus" story, I think it's to move the competition off the street to a realm where mid-engine exotics at least have a chance. Dragy proves that on the street, they have no chance.
In my book track-focused cars are better cars than drag strip focused cars. Even in America, with mostly straight roads, you don't only drive in a straight line. If you disagree, what car do you think can take curved on-ramp and merge into highway at higher speed - mid engine stock C8 or a prize-winning funny car?
Last edited by SinF; 09-27-2019 at 08:27 AM.
#26
#27
I know drag strip as American as apple pie, but I disagree with your assessment. "track focus" means that car can handle high speed turns in addition to being fast off the line. Going very fast in a straight line is not as simple as one would think, but going fast through a turn is orders of magnitude more complex.
In my book track-focused cars are better cars than drag strip focused cars. Even in America, with mostly straight roads, you don't only drive in a straight line. If you disagree, what car do you think can take curved on-ramp and merge into highway at higher speed - mid engine stock C8 or a prize-winning funny car?
In my book track-focused cars are better cars than drag strip focused cars. Even in America, with mostly straight roads, you don't only drive in a straight line. If you disagree, what car do you think can take curved on-ramp and merge into highway at higher speed - mid engine stock C8 or a prize-winning funny car?
I would say C8 Z51 performance, today, is best described with reliable physics models that peg it as a 3.65 sec car. The car and driver test video shows 3.60 secs to right before the gear change.
The 720S has 720HP, weighes 10% less, has the same uneven weight distro, is RWD, has a DCT, and it can't break 3.1 secs in stock form on Dragy.
Last edited by RacerX; 09-27-2019 at 10:12 AM.
#28
Let me further clarify my point. Drag strip numbers is only one of many meaningful performance characteristic. When you focus on it to the exclusion of other things, you don't get a full picture of car's performance characteristics. This is because drag strips are flat, straight, and specially conditioned surface that is not equivalent to all driving.
Braking distance matters. Maximum lateral grip matters. Weight distribution and weight transfer matter. Heat soak and brake fade matters. Drive train configuration, like RWD or AWD matter. LSD matter. So when you say "C8 Z51 ... peg it as a 3.65 sec car." you are examining only part of the picture.
Braking distance matters. Maximum lateral grip matters. Weight distribution and weight transfer matter. Heat soak and brake fade matters. Drive train configuration, like RWD or AWD matter. LSD matter. So when you say "C8 Z51 ... peg it as a 3.65 sec car." you are examining only part of the picture.
#29
Let me further clarify my point. Drag strip numbers is only one of many meaningful performance characteristic. When you focus on it to the exclusion of other things, you don't get a full picture of car's performance characteristics. This is because drag strips are flat, straight, and specially conditioned surface that is not equivalent to all driving.
Braking distance matters. Maximum lateral grip matters. Weight distribution and weight transfer matter. Heat soak and brake fade matters. Drive train configuration, like RWD or AWD matter. LSD matter. So when you say "C8 Z51 ... peg it as a 3.65 sec car." you are examining only part of the picture.
Braking distance matters. Maximum lateral grip matters. Weight distribution and weight transfer matter. Heat soak and brake fade matters. Drive train configuration, like RWD or AWD matter. LSD matter. So when you say "C8 Z51 ... peg it as a 3.65 sec car." you are examining only part of the picture.
And there I am, sitting 100 yards behind both cars in my manual transmission.
That's the story of the drag strip, but who's happiest?
#30
#31
Let me further clarify my point. Drag strip numbers is only one of many meaningful performance characteristic. When you focus on it to the exclusion of other things, you don't get a full picture of car's performance characteristics. This is because drag strips are flat, straight, and specially conditioned surface that is not equivalent to all driving.
Braking distance matters. Maximum lateral grip matters. Weight distribution and weight transfer matter. Heat soak and brake fade matters. Drive train configuration, like RWD or AWD matter. LSD matter. So when you say "C8 Z51 ... peg it as a 3.65 sec car." you are examining only part of the picture.
Braking distance matters. Maximum lateral grip matters. Weight distribution and weight transfer matter. Heat soak and brake fade matters. Drive train configuration, like RWD or AWD matter. LSD matter. So when you say "C8 Z51 ... peg it as a 3.65 sec car." you are examining only part of the picture.
So far its the C8 mid-engine coffin. I really do not understand buying a car no one has driven, but I'm different I guess.
Last edited by RacerX; 09-27-2019 at 11:12 PM.
#32
Mid-rear engine mounting does create on-throttle understeer. Since the front will be light already, acceleration lifts the front even more which does create understeer. Cars like the R8 and McLaren's have anti-squat mechanisms to help combat this but they are more than 2x the C8 price. My 4C has understeer due to the front lifting on acceleration as well. It can be addressed with an aftermarket suspension but I'm not that bothered about it. I'm sure the C8 will have some as well.
#33
Mid-rear engine mounting does create on-throttle understeer. Since the front will be light already, acceleration lifts the front even more which does create understeer. Cars like the R8 and McLaren's have anti-squat mechanisms to help combat this but they are more than 2x the C8 price. My 4C has understeer due to the front lifting on acceleration as well. It can be addressed with an aftermarket suspension but I'm not that bothered about it. I'm sure the C8 will have some as well.
Last edited by RacerX; 09-29-2019 at 06:18 PM.
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