SOS System Limited Functionality
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A lengthy description of the telecom system says that that error message occurs when the embedded SIM card
cannot connect with the cellular 2G system which is what is in our card. Low or dead battery gives a different message. There is a rechargeable AA and a regular AA battery welded together. The rechargeable battery is constantly recharged from the main 12v battery when the engine is running. If the engine is not started for four days the entire system goes to sleep. You can set a timer on the phone app that will wake the system up on the set day. This saves the rechargeable battery from discharging. If that were to happen then the regular battery would discharge and you would lose the emergency backup power until replaced. Replacing the batteries requires some dealer reprogramming so it says.
Some cars have a theft protection that works off the TCU system that has to be turned off from the app before towing the car or it will be reported stolen. When 2G cellular is gone, none of these systems will work. For now it works great. We would need a new TCU system with 4 or 5 G SIM cards. Can’t imagine how much that will cost.
cannot connect with the cellular 2G system which is what is in our card. Low or dead battery gives a different message. There is a rechargeable AA and a regular AA battery welded together. The rechargeable battery is constantly recharged from the main 12v battery when the engine is running. If the engine is not started for four days the entire system goes to sleep. You can set a timer on the phone app that will wake the system up on the set day. This saves the rechargeable battery from discharging. If that were to happen then the regular battery would discharge and you would lose the emergency backup power until replaced. Replacing the batteries requires some dealer reprogramming so it says.
Some cars have a theft protection that works off the TCU system that has to be turned off from the app before towing the car or it will be reported stolen. When 2G cellular is gone, none of these systems will work. For now it works great. We would need a new TCU system with 4 or 5 G SIM cards. Can’t imagine how much that will cost.
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A lengthy description of the telecom system says that that error message occurs when the embedded SIM card
cannot connect with the cellular 2G system which is what is in our card. Low or dead battery gives a different message.
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Replacing the batteries requires some dealer reprogramming so it says.
cannot connect with the cellular 2G system which is what is in our card. Low or dead battery gives a different message.
[...]
Replacing the batteries requires some dealer reprogramming so it says.
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#46
That's a better description than any I recall seeing before but it's for a newer version than I've got (Defender, 2020-2022). It notes that the battery is a single rechargeable cell and "When the backup battery has been replaced, the system must be reset, setting the backup battery level back to 100%, using the JLR approved diagnostic equipment." I'm not sure that applies to the twin cell battery pack, but I'm also not sure it doesn't.
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TELEMATICS SYSTEM MESSAGES
When there is any fault with the telematics system, the following messages are displayed on the IPC:
SOS System Limited
This message is driven by DTC, relating to hardware issues:
The message is driven by 4 possible scenarios:
When there is any fault with the telematics system, the following messages are displayed on the IPC:
- 'SOS System Limited' displayed when a call is possible but with limited service. For example, when there is any fault with the microphone or the speaker ( Diagnostic Trouble Code(s) (DTC) present). The TCU battery may be depleted but the call can be placed and vehicle data transmitted.
- 'SOS System Not Available' displayed when TCU is unable to attempt a call. For example, when no network available or TCU has no CAN network connectivity.
SOS System Limited
This message is driven by DTC, relating to hardware issues:
- External GSM antenna connection failure.
- External GNSS antenna connection failure.
- The eCall switch connection failure.
- Hardwired connection failure with the RCM.
- The microphone connection failure.
- The GNSS receiver failure, internal failure.
- Speaker connection failure.
- The TCU backup battery depleted.
The message is driven by 4 possible scenarios:
- The TCU is disconnected or unresponsive.
- Failed eCall due to no network coverage.
- Failed eCall due to no eCall number provided.
- Modem failure.
Last edited by lizzardo; 11-04-2022 at 10:50 AM.
#47
Do not expect your dealer to diagnose any esoteric electronic problem. My dealer spent two days trying to figure out why my touchscreen only came on randomly. They never had a clue. But they did tell me there were no codes generated. So I took the car back, pulled he touchscreen and checked every capacitor. They were all perfect. While doing this, a small chip called a thyristor fell off the touchscreen inverter board. The solder joints had become brittle. This was too minute for me to replace so I bought a touchscreen on eBay for $50 with a cracked glass and swapped out the inverter board. Now everything is perfect. I asked the dealer why they didn’t just swap out the touchscreen with a working one. They said they are forbidden from doing that.
Last edited by Buckingham; 11-04-2022 at 07:38 PM.
#48
I’ve been talking to my old/new boss (long story) about this. He was a JLR tech at the corporate level and then a service manager up until 2015. He called his old level 4 tech to see what the current poop is.
There is a specific code for a dead telemetric battery. Usomething. The first thing the JLR overlord has the dealership tech do is leave the car running at idle for an hour. This should bring back the charge state if it’s going to come back. If it's still dead, then change the battery, if they had any.
There is a specific code for a dead telemetric battery. Usomething. The first thing the JLR overlord has the dealership tech do is leave the car running at idle for an hour. This should bring back the charge state if it’s going to come back. If it's still dead, then change the battery, if they had any.
Last edited by Robtrt8; 11-05-2022 at 05:24 AM.
#49
I couldn't get a code the one time I tried. It seemed to come on but disappear before I could complete a rescan. Considering the battery module reset issue I didn't try again, but my hope that it would perk up was answered. Not once in my errands today did I get a warning. The manufacture date on my original was MAR 15, the replacement is DEC 19, so it had been sitting on the shelf for a while.
It seems the unit with the dual-cell battery pack does not require any reset, just enough driving to get a good charge.
It seems the unit with the dual-cell battery pack does not require any reset, just enough driving to get a good charge.
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#51
It wouldn't be difficult at all to fit the harness to a new pair of cells except that one of the cells themselves seem to be unavailable. The rechargeable (TLI) I found for about $20 but the other (TLM)? I gave up looking.
#52
I hardly think that’s enough of a drop to cause and error message but who knows. I’ve tried to connect two batteries for a pack for a different appliance and could not solder the leads on. They were originally welded. I gave up. We bought our cars the same year and it’s interesting that the TCU system has never been an issue until now.
#53
I hardly think that’s enough of a drop to cause and error message but who knows. I’ve tried to connect two batteries for a pack for a different appliance and could not solder the leads on. They were originally welded. I gave up. We bought our cars the same year and it’s interesting that the TCU system has never been an issue until now.
I've replaced cells in various things, like rechargeable clippers, and soldering to the cell can be a challenge. It takes a lot of heat applied for the minimum time necessary. A soldering pencil will probably not work and just end up heating one end of the cell above it's rated temperature but not enough on the contact to get a joint. These cells can be had in three configurations: no tabs, welded tabs for wire, welded tabs with pins for a printed circuit board. The tabs would be the way to go.
Mine never had an issue until very recently, and then it was warnings every few minutes when driving. It will be interesting to see when yours hits the EOL threshold.
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That's what I'd do now, after taking apart the original and getting the numbers. I didn't want to have issues with no pack at all installed while I figured that out. I found supply issues when researching the cells. Where did you end up getting them?
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Outstanding Buckingham, I just ordered the described batteries because I am having the problem and would like to get rid of it.
Lizzardo, you indicated that you accessed the TCM where the batteries are by "The Telematics Control Module is behind the bolster between the seats (coupe)". Can you elaborate any more on the that explanation of how you gained access the the compartment? You, me and Buckingham have pretty much the same cars except for color. Thanks to both of you.
Lizzardo, you indicated that you accessed the TCM where the batteries are by "The Telematics Control Module is behind the bolster between the seats (coupe)". Can you elaborate any more on the that explanation of how you gained access the the compartment? You, me and Buckingham have pretty much the same cars except for color. Thanks to both of you.
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Outstanding Buckingham, I just ordered the described batteries because I am having the problem and would like to get rid of it.
Lizzardo, you indicated that you accessed the TCM where the batteries are by "The Telematics Control Module is behind the bolster between the seats (coupe)". Can you elaborate any more on the that explanation of how you gained access the the compartment? You, me and Buckingham have pretty much the same cars except for color. Thanks to both of you.
Lizzardo, you indicated that you accessed the TCM where the batteries are by "The Telematics Control Module is behind the bolster between the seats (coupe)". Can you elaborate any more on the that explanation of how you gained access the the compartment? You, me and Buckingham have pretty much the same cars except for color. Thanks to both of you.