Thoughts on the 2016 F-Type?
#21
Having owned 3 BMW's over 10 years through 2014 before buying the F-Type I'm not sure I agree. I find the F-Type's steering far more taut and responsive than BMW's electronic steering, which I found difficult to predict because it is speed-sensitive and still far too light even at speed.
Also, I think we may have just read different F-Type reviews as the ones I've read have generally commended steering for accuracy but have noted that it can be a bit heavy.
Also, I think we may have just read different F-Type reviews as the ones I've read have generally commended steering for accuracy but have noted that it can be a bit heavy.
#22
The BMW power assist units are in my mind are far superior to any hydraulic assist steering units I have experienced in terms of response and road feel. Trade reviews have generally criticized the remote feel of the F-Type hydraulic system. I find it hard to believe Jag made the change for a few hundredths of an mpg. It is more likely they came up with a better steering unit.
#23
Never heard of electric steering feeling better than hydraulic in any car. The steering in my 2013 911 wasn't as good as in the 2011 Cayman. I doubt BMW or Jaguar cracked the code when Porsche didn't. Think the new AMG GT is sticking with hydraulic. And from what ive read the mpg savings is more like 1+ mpg which is significant if you're only doing 20 mpg to start with
#24
You guys are right to bring up the CAFE issues with Jaguar.
This is, as swa points out, principally an issue with the mix of models in the Jaguar lineup.
I still think that the best way to improve fuel economy would have been to lighten the F-Type. It's ironic that Jaguar touts the lightness of the all-aluminum construction and has invested enormous capital into aluminum supply and production, yet the car is not actually lighter than its average competitor.
Rather than complexify the vehicle in pursuit of economy, it feels like it would have been much better to take a page out of Porsche's best practices and focus instead on leaning-down the design to reduce material waste and lighten the vehicle.
But yeah....I'm starting to be a broken record on this!
This is, as swa points out, principally an issue with the mix of models in the Jaguar lineup.
I still think that the best way to improve fuel economy would have been to lighten the F-Type. It's ironic that Jaguar touts the lightness of the all-aluminum construction and has invested enormous capital into aluminum supply and production, yet the car is not actually lighter than its average competitor.
Rather than complexify the vehicle in pursuit of economy, it feels like it would have been much better to take a page out of Porsche's best practices and focus instead on leaning-down the design to reduce material waste and lighten the vehicle.
But yeah....I'm starting to be a broken record on this!
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#28
Having owned 3 BMW's over 10 years through 2014 before buying the F-Type I'm not sure I agree. I find the F-Type's steering far more taut and responsive than BMW's electronic steering, which I found difficult to predict because it is speed-sensitive and still far too light even at speed.
All the reviews I have seen have acknowledged the steering accuracy, but a couple of auto critics have bemoaned the lack of feedback through wheel citing superior feel from both 911s and M3/4s.
#29
#30
You guys are right to bring up the CAFE issues with Jaguar.
This is, as swa points out, principally an issue with the mix of models in the Jaguar lineup.
I still think that the best way to improve fuel economy would have been to lighten the F-Type. It's ironic that Jaguar touts the lightness of the all-aluminum construction and has invested enormous capital into aluminum supply and production, yet the car is not actually lighter than its average competitor.
Rather than complexify the vehicle in pursuit of economy, it feels like it would have been much better to take a page out of Porsche's best practices and focus instead on leaning-down the design to reduce material waste and lighten the vehicle.
But yeah....I'm starting to be a broken record on this!
This is, as swa points out, principally an issue with the mix of models in the Jaguar lineup.
I still think that the best way to improve fuel economy would have been to lighten the F-Type. It's ironic that Jaguar touts the lightness of the all-aluminum construction and has invested enormous capital into aluminum supply and production, yet the car is not actually lighter than its average competitor.
Rather than complexify the vehicle in pursuit of economy, it feels like it would have been much better to take a page out of Porsche's best practices and focus instead on leaning-down the design to reduce material waste and lighten the vehicle.
But yeah....I'm starting to be a broken record on this!
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