Upgrading a 2017 R
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There’s an interesting thread on the forum about comparing F-Type Rs and SVRs. Inevitably someone brings up is it worth the extra money for 25 hp. Which made me curious. Can anyone tell me how they get the 25 hp more on the SVR? Is it a reprogrammed chip, a different mass air flow meter, is it the titanium exhaust? I tried to talk to my dealer service technician but I got “I don’t know.”
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There’s an interesting thread on the forum about comparing F-Type Rs and SVRs. Inevitably someone brings up is it worth the extra money for 25 hp. Which made me curious. Can anyone tell me how they get the 25 hp more on the SVR? Is it a reprogrammed chip, a different mass air flow meter, is it the titanium exhaust? I tried to talk to my dealer service technician but I got “I don’t know.”
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While not an exhaustive list, there are other differences in the R and SVR...SVR has some Titanium exhaust parts (and different exhaust than R), Some Lambo/quilt stitching, different front bumper cover, different hood louvers, badging obviously, and a different rear wing/spoiler to name the main ones.
Personal preference as to whether it is worth the extra $$. There are fewer SVR's produced (and it has ceased) as well...
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The ability to shed up to 113 pounds of weight which must include the ceramic brake package to accomplish, an increase of 14 lb/ft of torque, slightly wider tires and a 200 MPH top end compared to 186 MPH are a few other differences between the R and SVR. I'll never take the car up to 186 let alone 200, but the potential weight savings is probably the biggest plus in my opinion.
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While not an exhaustive list, there are other differences in the R and SVR...SVR has some Titanium exhaust parts (and different exhaust than R), Some Lambo/quilt stitching, different front bumper cover, different hood louvers, badging obviously, and a different rear wing/spoiler to name the main ones.
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It's interesting even in the used market, the SVR's seem to retain its additional $20-25K price premium to comparable used R models
When I was deciding between the two, I went for the SVR mainly for the exhaust. I also liked the wing (completes the silhouette imo), quilted interior, front bumper (no gills), and the rear diffuser.
The least important thing to me was the extra HP bump. Can't tell the difference and not the point of these cars. My AMG is faster than the SVR.
When I was deciding between the two, I went for the SVR mainly for the exhaust. I also liked the wing (completes the silhouette imo), quilted interior, front bumper (no gills), and the rear diffuser.
The least important thing to me was the extra HP bump. Can't tell the difference and not the point of these cars. My AMG is faster than the SVR.
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No disrespect but I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that your AMG C63S is faster unless it's modified? My friend has your same model year and I take him off the line and from a roll to the point where he won't play anymore. The published times for the AMG are 3.7 to 60 and an 11.9 quarter which aren't even close to the SVR (3.3 and 11.4). The AMG weighs more, is not as aerodynamic, RWD limited, and has 72 less HP. I absolutely love the C63S and it was number 2 on my short list of cars to purchase with the Cayman GTS finishing 3rd.
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No disrespect but I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that your AMG C63S is faster unless it's modified? My friend has your same model year and I take him off the line and from a roll to the point where he won't play anymore. The published times for the AMG are 3.7 to 60 and an 11.9 quarter which aren't even close to the SVR (3.3 and 11.4). The AMG weighs more, is not as aerodynamic, RWD limited, and has 72 less HP. I absolutely love the C63S and it was number 2 on my short list of cars to purchase with the Cayman GTS finishing 3rd.
Not a super scientific test, done in Mexico obviously starting at ~60mph. C63S pulled just past the SVR.
I mean the numbers check out, they have the exact same torque figure but the C63S is 200 lbs lighter. Mercedes underrates the HP, stock it dynos near 550 at the crank
The SVR murders the Mercedes at a dig. Does your friend have a coupe? The sedan is faster than the coupe in a straight line (probably because the coupe weighs about the same as a SVR)
Edit: I checked the trap speeds for the published quarter mile and both the C63S sedan and the SVR trap at 122mph. Think this is line with what I found testing both my cars. Anyways, I love the SVR and personally rolls don't matter much to me since those speeds are really not realistic for daily driving and the only thing that matters is being able to smoke other cars off the line! I've actually been thinking about selling my C... don't drive it much anymore since getting the SVR.
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Car & Driver has the curb weight for the SVR at 3763 and 3968 for the C63S Coupe so the advantage goes to the Jaguar, options on both cars can negate the difference either way. I do agree with your from a roll assessment due to their almost equal trap speeds in the quarter. Who ever gets a slight jump will not be caught in the upper end and the Mercedes HP figures are definitely more underrated than the Jaguar. Both cars are superb and I will always include the F-Type R in the same discussion as I previously owned one and it's just a tick behind the SVR in performance. My friend owns a grey coupe with the stunning red interior which I give the edge to over my red interior!
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Car & Driver has the curb weight for the SVR at 3763 and 3968 for the C63S Coupe so the advantage goes to the Jaguar, options on both cars can negate the difference either way. I do agree with your from a roll assessment due to their almost equal trap speeds in the quarter. Who ever gets a slight jump will not be caught in the upper end and the Mercedes HP figures are definitely more underrated than the Jaguar. Both cars are superb and I will always include the F-Type R in the same discussion as I previously owned one and it's just a tick behind the SVR in performance. My friend owns a grey coupe with the stunning red interior which I give the edge over my red interior!
Agreed on the difference is very close on a roll and in pretty unrealistic driving speeds... And I can tell you the C63S doesn't even sound half as good as the SVR when you put your foot down
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I absolutely adore the red interior on our SVR's. I have it in mine too... when I saw it I knew it was the one! The Mercedes has nice LED's and screens but there's something old school and stylish with the quilted interior in our Jags and analogue dials that just ticks all the boxes
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I love my red interior also but the Mercedes interior just looks and feels more expensive and higher tech to me if that makes any sense. Kind of wish my seats had some black trim pieces to help tone down the overall red explosion just a little. The vehicle curb weight from the F-Type brochure has the SVR Coupe @ 3759 and the Convertible @ 3792 which is pretty close to Car & Driver's numbers. Your figures sound like gross weight (including passengers, max fluids etc) which even the magazines mix up at times. Don't forget, the C63S has a back seat and that big *** medallion on the front grill : )
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I actually love the all-red look but I can see the appeal of some black to contrast. I ended up spec'ing black/black for mine but I was torn between black/red and also the platinum white
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