VelocityAP Jaguar F-Type ECU Tuning, V6, V6S, V8S, V8R
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02-06-2020 | 05:54 PM
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Actually most modem manuals require pushing clutch, at end of travel is a sensor to view pedal position..once switch is closed circuit it allows engine start phase from key command.
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#902
02-06-2020 | 06:25 PM
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Coz when I shut 'er down I always put it in Neutral and applied the handbrake so it was ready to fire up without touching the clutch pedal when I got back in.
Very occasionally when parked on a steep grade I would put the car in 2nd gear after shutting it down (plus handbrake), and from memory I only "lurched" two or three times ever by trying to start the car with it in gear with the clutch engaged.
So I sympathise a bit with Toddiesel!
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02-07-2020 | 07:54 AM
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Now, obviously, VAP tune isn't this extreme. However, you still increase boost , introduce additional heat, increase RPMs on your supercharger. This creates additional heat, additional wear and tear, additional push on the weak link to fail.
With your 25K miles, are you following manufacturer recommended oil change interval? If yes, why do you think after putting all that extra load on the system you can follow service interval designed for stock engine?
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02-07-2020 | 09:26 AM
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Did you know that race engines frequently rebuilt and this is almost always done before they fail? This is because at high levels of boost, high RPMs, and high load conditions things experience accelerated wear. Bearings get worn, valves get burned, pistons get melted.
Now, obviously, VAP tune isn't this extreme. However, you still increase boost , introduce additional heat, increase RPMs on your supercharger. This creates additional heat, additional wear and tear, additional push on the weak link to fail.
With your 25K miles, are you following manufacturer recommended oil change interval? If yes, why do you think after putting all that extra load on the system you can follow service interval designed for stock engine?
Now, obviously, VAP tune isn't this extreme. However, you still increase boost , introduce additional heat, increase RPMs on your supercharger. This creates additional heat, additional wear and tear, additional push on the weak link to fail.
With your 25K miles, are you following manufacturer recommended oil change interval? If yes, why do you think after putting all that extra load on the system you can follow service interval designed for stock engine?
My intend was to provide some support that the VAP tune, as you point out, is not extreme, and has not (as of yet) caused any issues. The question I think is how much will it shorten the engine's usable life and is that impact significant; e.g. is a 1% drop in life expectancy an issue as opposed to say 50%. Of course it all depends somewhat on how you drive what you may consider a material impact.
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02-07-2020 | 09:56 AM
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Not sure what flaming you're referring to. It's not only a PITA, it's completely unnecessary and serves 0 purpose. I get (sorta) having to brake to go from P to a gear, but if you're IN park, why would you need to brake to start the car? And I'm actually wondering (will try it on the way home from work) now if you would have to press the brake to go from N to D if you're in motion. That would definitely suck, but I won't be surprised if it's the case. This is the first auto I've owned since my very first car and I've had 16 cars total, so all the nannies that come with this particular auto are pretty annoying as I'm not used to any of them.
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#906
02-07-2020 | 06:55 PM
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Fed ex countdown - 1 day left for delivery of my tuner!
So from reading through this thread, I understand that you can code some items - eco start/stop toggle, RPM limit adjust, throttle sensitivity, exhaust pop/crackles, etc. I was looking to find some real world experiences with the tweaks. Anyone have some personal experiences with the set ups they could share? Trials/changes?
So from reading through this thread, I understand that you can code some items - eco start/stop toggle, RPM limit adjust, throttle sensitivity, exhaust pop/crackles, etc. I was looking to find some real world experiences with the tweaks. Anyone have some personal experiences with the set ups they could share? Trials/changes?
#907
02-09-2020 | 01:48 PM
How often do you go into thermal protection mode on a hot days at this boost levels? Also, do you have issues with burnt valves or plugs?
When you say "reliably" you mean reaching these numbers during dyno pulls. That is, I am not aware of anyone putting 100,000 miles on an engine with VAP tune and pulley and reporting back. I think your F-type might be the highest mileage with the tune and pulley continuously used and you are nowhere near 100K. So it is too early to speak about "reliably".
When you say "reliably" you mean reaching these numbers during dyno pulls. That is, I am not aware of anyone putting 100,000 miles on an engine with VAP tune and pulley and reporting back. I think your F-type might be the highest mileage with the tune and pulley continuously used and you are nowhere near 100K. So it is too early to speak about "reliably".
Regarding thermal protection mode, I don’t think I’ve ever triggered that. Engine running smoother than day 1, so no burnt valves or plugs.
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#908
02-09-2020 | 02:25 PM
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I never said it was law, point me where I stated that...
I never said it's a "law" and I honestly don't think you've thought this through. Please explain to me how you would turn ON your ignition but not start your engine? Because that's how you diagnose your vehicle and scan for codes. So if a tech was to try scanning for codes while another tech was under the hood verifying something..I'm guessing you could guarantee the guy under the hood wouldn't have the slightest chance to injury. Again, I never stated anything about a car rolling off or driving away. I said it's a safety issue I would not allow this company to be related with...aka law suit 100%.
Regardless of the above fact and even if I was careless and when about, to flash your ecu the ignition needs to be ON with engine OFF. So if I created this file and you flashed the vehicle, that would be the last time the ecu could ever be flashed through OBD because every time you turn ON the ignition the engine starts instantly.
Nonetheless, this isn't to flame..I'm just bluntly stating it's not something I would perform in anyone's file, regardless of what anyone says or tries to prove to me. Just my 2cents
I never said it's a "law" and I honestly don't think you've thought this through. Please explain to me how you would turn ON your ignition but not start your engine? Because that's how you diagnose your vehicle and scan for codes. So if a tech was to try scanning for codes while another tech was under the hood verifying something..I'm guessing you could guarantee the guy under the hood wouldn't have the slightest chance to injury. Again, I never stated anything about a car rolling off or driving away. I said it's a safety issue I would not allow this company to be related with...aka law suit 100%.
Regardless of the above fact and even if I was careless and when about, to flash your ecu the ignition needs to be ON with engine OFF. So if I created this file and you flashed the vehicle, that would be the last time the ecu could ever be flashed through OBD because every time you turn ON the ignition the engine starts instantly.
Nonetheless, this isn't to flame..I'm just bluntly stating it's not something I would perform in anyone's file, regardless of what anyone says or tries to prove to me. Just my 2cents
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02-09-2020 | 02:57 PM
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But if you do the first press to just switch the ignition on, it only takes a brief second press to crank the engine.
#910
02-09-2020 | 03:16 PM
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Sounds like you're only supporting my point. 1 press for ACC, 2 presses to start. If you leave your young child WITH the fob unattended in the passenger seat and he/she starts the car and puts it D and runs into the side of your house, I kinda feel like that's on you. I'm of the mindset that manufacturers should not be liable to protect you from your own stupidity. Like these parents whose children pull over dressers and die. It's horrible, but come on people, use your head!
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02-09-2020 | 03:21 PM
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02-09-2020 | 03:23 PM
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02-09-2020 | 04:33 PM
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Stuart@VelocityAP what options are available as far as exhaust sound goes? Stock, added pops, anything else?
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02-09-2020 | 04:41 PM
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How often do you go into thermal protection mode on a hot days at this boost levels? Also, do you have issues with burnt valves or plugs?
When you say "reliably" you mean reaching these numbers during dyno pulls. That is, I am not aware of anyone putting 100,000 miles on an engine with VAP tune and pulley and reporting back. I think your F-type might be the highest mileage with the tune and pulley continuously used and you are nowhere near 100K. So it is too early to speak about "reliably".
When you say "reliably" you mean reaching these numbers during dyno pulls. That is, I am not aware of anyone putting 100,000 miles on an engine with VAP tune and pulley and reporting back. I think your F-type might be the highest mileage with the tune and pulley continuously used and you are nowhere near 100K. So it is too early to speak about "reliably".
To the best of my knowledge we don't have anyone who's hit 100,000 miles tuned or tuned + pulley at this point, however we are constantly hearing from people in the 20-40,000 mile range. So we while we wouldn't make any claims about 100,000 miles we were doing some rough math the other day. Bearing in mind that we tune for these engine platforms across all JLR vehicles, we are now well into the thousands on tunes on these, and approaching 1000 crank pulleys. Never had a burnt valve or plug during that time. Some rough math gives us IRO 30,000,000 miles travelled with our tunes and pulleys across our entire customer base. I'm aware of 3 engines which have failed - 2 from main bearings & crank seizing due to being run out of oil, and a 3rd which appears to have had pre-existing problems. So the failure rate is around 1.01/1000 or 0.1% at this point.
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#915
02-09-2020 | 07:30 PM
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Sounds like you're only supporting my point. 1 press for ACC, 2 presses to start. If you leave your young child WITH the fob unattended in the passenger seat and he/she starts the car and puts it D and runs into the side of your house, I kinda feel like that's on you. I'm of the mindset that manufacturers should not be liable to protect you from your own stupidity. Like these parents whose children pull over dressers and die. It's horrible, but come on people, use your head!
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02-09-2020 | 07:44 PM
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No, I didn't hear anything about anything like that. I also live under a rock that doesn't even get cable, so I'm not surprised. And yeah, for sure, this is a super litigious country, and it's unfortunate that stuff like that happens. That's why I said "I'M of the mindset". I'm well aware that no one at all wants to take responsibility for their scew ups and want to pass the blame and make a buck. Just would be nice if those of us who are high strung and hate nannies didn't have to suffer because a couple of people are dumb. I'm sure most people don't like the nannies, but most of those people aren't tightly wound and get infuriated by them. I digress. My question was "can Velocity eliminate annoying nannies in a tune?" and answer was "yes, but we won't cuz this is merka and we are skurd (and rightly so) of being sued by a dumbass". I'd be MORE than happy to sign any kind of waiver to eliminate all nannies, but I'm sure that's not good enough, so question asked, question answered, case closed.
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02-13-2020 | 07:34 AM
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Think I've the same issue where my stock belt length is the same as the new belt length.
Mine is for the XE S but I'm guessing it'll b the same since it's the same engine
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02-16-2020 | 10:30 AM
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If it is a crank pulley, yes those instructions are pretty good, although we generally recommend professional installation on these parts.
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02-16-2020 | 12:34 PM
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