What do people want to see in the G-type?
#1
What do people want to see in the G-type?
We are now three model years into the F-type. I'm imagining this car will have a 6-7 year cycle so they must be beginning work on the G-type soon (probably as soon as the SVR is out).
I'm hoping they consider these things:
1) Hybrid with electric turbo
2) Carbon Fiber structural elements with a weight of 3200 lbs or lower
3) Active roll control
4) Rear wheel steering (like GT3)
5) more sophisticated active aero
6) better torque vectoring settings with drive modes which allow you to choose between rear biased AWD (current setup), and performance optimizing AWD (minimize wheel spin and provide more active torque vectoring to support higher speed cornering).
7) more luxurious and more British feeling interior
8) HUD - preferably augmented reality HUD
9) proper telematics like Mercedes and BMW (as opposed to the slightly limited functionality of in control.
10) more intelligent navigation logic
11) similar overall shape (evolutionary styling)
What would you guys like to see?
I'm hoping they consider these things:
1) Hybrid with electric turbo
2) Carbon Fiber structural elements with a weight of 3200 lbs or lower
3) Active roll control
4) Rear wheel steering (like GT3)
5) more sophisticated active aero
6) better torque vectoring settings with drive modes which allow you to choose between rear biased AWD (current setup), and performance optimizing AWD (minimize wheel spin and provide more active torque vectoring to support higher speed cornering).
7) more luxurious and more British feeling interior
8) HUD - preferably augmented reality HUD
9) proper telematics like Mercedes and BMW (as opposed to the slightly limited functionality of in control.
10) more intelligent navigation logic
11) similar overall shape (evolutionary styling)
What would you guys like to see?
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#8
one last hurrah
My take on StealthPilot's wish list:
• Hybrid: Memo to JLR: "Please, no! Don't give it a second's thought. Fuel economy isn't near the top of our list of priorities, if it makes the list at all. This is feel-good technology that adds more cost up front than will ever be saved at the pump, given normal mileage and years of ownership. If, in 4 years, increasingly hellish CAFE standards still let you get away with it, give us one more—one last—conventionally powered brute of a sports car, before the breed follows the dodo bird into extinction along with the guys who buy them."
• HUD: That would be nice, and wouldn't add a lot to the cost.
• "Similar overall shape (evolutionary styling)": Right. No radical changes to something this close to perfection. Callum (it'll be him) should flatten it slightly, shorten the cabin a bit (he wanted to do that with the F-Type) and add that length to the hood. Like the gorgeous Mazda RX-Vision concept.
• Reduced weight: Yes, more carbon fiber, structural as well as body panels. Hopefully between now and then the cost of CF will have decreased enough to make the 3200-lb target figure attainable.
• Better telematics, nav, etc.: Technological progress will take care of that. It still won't be state of the art, but if "nav as good as BMW's" is a deal-breaker for you, then the F- & G-Types aren't your cars.
• More sophisticated active aero, better torque vectoring, rear-wheel steering: Give me a break.
• "More luxurious interior": This horse has been beaten to death and beyond in too many threads already. But in 2 words: Not needed.
• Hybrid: Memo to JLR: "Please, no! Don't give it a second's thought. Fuel economy isn't near the top of our list of priorities, if it makes the list at all. This is feel-good technology that adds more cost up front than will ever be saved at the pump, given normal mileage and years of ownership. If, in 4 years, increasingly hellish CAFE standards still let you get away with it, give us one more—one last—conventionally powered brute of a sports car, before the breed follows the dodo bird into extinction along with the guys who buy them."
• HUD: That would be nice, and wouldn't add a lot to the cost.
• "Similar overall shape (evolutionary styling)": Right. No radical changes to something this close to perfection. Callum (it'll be him) should flatten it slightly, shorten the cabin a bit (he wanted to do that with the F-Type) and add that length to the hood. Like the gorgeous Mazda RX-Vision concept.
• Reduced weight: Yes, more carbon fiber, structural as well as body panels. Hopefully between now and then the cost of CF will have decreased enough to make the 3200-lb target figure attainable.
• Better telematics, nav, etc.: Technological progress will take care of that. It still won't be state of the art, but if "nav as good as BMW's" is a deal-breaker for you, then the F- & G-Types aren't your cars.
• More sophisticated active aero, better torque vectoring, rear-wheel steering: Give me a break.
• "More luxurious interior": This horse has been beaten to death and beyond in too many threads already. But in 2 words: Not needed.
#10
If by G-Type you mean the next Jag sports car (not just incremental improvements to the F-Type like HUD, better infotainment, etc.) then I think Jaguar needs to make a better handling car. I know that Jaguar are not about lap times...but if they want to make noise outside the traditional demographics/buyers, they need to up the performance. The F-Type still lacks "street cred" because it can't lap as fast as other 500+ HP cars. Imagine the F-Type styling/design/class but having track times that kept up with 911, AMG GTS, etc. That would make some noise and get non-traditional customers to take a look.
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#15
My take on StealthPilot's wish list:
• Hybrid: Memo to JLR: "Please, no! Don't give it a second's thought. Fuel economy isn't near the top of our list of priorities, if it makes the list at all. This is feel-good technology that adds more cost up front than will ever be saved at the pump, given normal mileage and years of ownership. If, in 4 years, increasingly hellish CAFE standards still let you get away with it, give us one more—one last—conventionally powered brute of a sports car, before the breed follows the dodo bird into extinction along with the guys who buy them."
• Hybrid: Memo to JLR: "Please, no! Don't give it a second's thought. Fuel economy isn't near the top of our list of priorities, if it makes the list at all. This is feel-good technology that adds more cost up front than will ever be saved at the pump, given normal mileage and years of ownership. If, in 4 years, increasingly hellish CAFE standards still let you get away with it, give us one more—one last—conventionally powered brute of a sports car, before the breed follows the dodo bird into extinction along with the guys who buy them."
The 5.0V8 is reaching a development ceiling. You can't do much more than 600hp, and you can't get the best throttle response from it (its pretty good but it isn't the best).
As regards cost, this is a $110k car aiming to compete with the Porsche 911 Turbo. It should be the pinnacle of tech.
#16
[QUOTE=StealthPilot;1337749]Hybrid electric turbo has nothing to do with fuel economy. It is all about throttle response and power. If you like instant throttle response, and more power then this is the way to go.
If you want even more instantaneous throttle response than the convulsive twitchiness that we already get in S + Dynamic, you'll have to connect the throttle input directly to the speed neurons in the driver's limbic cortex. I believe we're decades from that technology.
If you want even more instantaneous throttle response than the convulsive twitchiness that we already get in S + Dynamic, you'll have to connect the throttle input directly to the speed neurons in the driver's limbic cortex. I believe we're decades from that technology.
#17
If by G-Type you mean the next Jag sports car (not just incremental improvements to the F-Type like HUD, better infotainment, etc.) then I think Jaguar needs to make a better handling car. I know that Jaguar are not about lap times...but if they want to make noise outside the traditional demographics/buyers, they need to up the performance. The F-Type still lacks "street cred" because it can't lap as fast as other 500+ HP cars. Imagine the F-Type styling/design/class but having track times that kept up with 911, AMG GTS, etc. That would make some noise and get non-traditional customers to take a look.
#18
Much more fun swinging the *** out at a track than keeping the lines straight. Everyone else is already doing the latter. Considering this car is a good 25% too expensive across the range, they need to do something original just to keep it niche to justify the premium. Going mainstream would kill the idea of the Jaguar sports car.
All I'd want is faster screen/nav response and more options. Do away with these BS upgrades. A tune and LSD shouldn't be $15'000.
All I'd want is faster screen/nav response and more options. Do away with these BS upgrades. A tune and LSD shouldn't be $15'000.
Last edited by MagnumPI; 10-29-2015 at 03:37 PM.
#20
That would be an exceedingly stupid move on JLR's part.
V6 models sell well, and JLR needs all the sales it can get. I haven't seen the official numbers, but judging from dealer stock at most US dealers, I'm guessing they outsell V8s by a wide margin. A lot of us even prefer the V6.
V6 models sell well, and JLR needs all the sales it can get. I haven't seen the official numbers, but judging from dealer stock at most US dealers, I'm guessing they outsell V8s by a wide margin. A lot of us even prefer the V6.
Last edited by Foosh; 10-29-2015 at 05:19 PM.