Genrad GDS3500 WDS Docking Station
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Ivo helped me with a Jaguar/Aston Martin / Ford HDD to make the WDS more versatile and i soon will try the same HDD in my Iveco IT2000 / GDS3500 tester to see if they are interchangable (waiting for the 128 mb RAM cards...)
i don't have a Jaguar myself (my ride is a tuned Suzuki Swift Sport, i'm sorry !) but when i get familiar with the tools and have all the needed adapters i will check if there is any local interest in Jag/Aston/Ford diagnostic service....
Gert
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And meanwhile, apparently I have been become a collector of working diagnostic stuff (last week I give my JDS parts away), and for my (smal) "collection" I am searching for WDS cable: B-298 .
I know it is a long schot but maybe there is somebody who can supply a picture, layout, pin out or even is willing to sell one.
#hopeful
I know it is a long schot but maybe there is somebody who can supply a picture, layout, pin out or even is willing to sell one.
#hopeful
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Well i managed to repair my docking station using a 420w power supply with cut 3.3v wires + a separate 16v-5a laptop power supply - yesterday i finally succeeded in restoring the touch screen function of my Iveco IT2000/GDS3500 tester after i changed the mouse settings trying to activate an external mouse - i used a keyboard to activate the tabs and buttons and used the mouse settings of my Ford/Jaguar/Aston Martin WDS to copy them to the Iveco tester.
i also changed both bios batteries and the battery packs and i put 128 mb Kingston RAM cards in both machines to speed them up a little - i first put other 128 mb 66 mhz cards in both machines but they did not even boot with these cards - according to the supplier the Kingston card is really a 133 mhz card instead of 66 mhz (2x 66 mhz) so according to him that would be the reason his cards did not work….
I remember a post about someone reporting a working 133 mhz card so it might be possible…
the more i compare both GDS3500 machine the more differences i encounter - the Iveco tester is not a 100% copy of the WDS tester - the Iveco runs Windows NT 4.0 , it has a dedicated keyboard connection on the front and 2 rails to connect the IT2000 keyboard, it has 2 extra flat cables connected between the upper and lower board, it has a (non-working) usb and infrared port and it lacks the second pcb layer like the WDS tester .
It does however accept the WDS HDD so it will have to test if it does communicate with Ford / Jaguar/ Aston Martin vehicles using it's other pcb board setup....
This forum is great for finding info about the GDS3500 tester, lots of experience and very friendly and helpful people here !
i also changed both bios batteries and the battery packs and i put 128 mb Kingston RAM cards in both machines to speed them up a little - i first put other 128 mb 66 mhz cards in both machines but they did not even boot with these cards - according to the supplier the Kingston card is really a 133 mhz card instead of 66 mhz (2x 66 mhz) so according to him that would be the reason his cards did not work….
I remember a post about someone reporting a working 133 mhz card so it might be possible…
the more i compare both GDS3500 machine the more differences i encounter - the Iveco tester is not a 100% copy of the WDS tester - the Iveco runs Windows NT 4.0 , it has a dedicated keyboard connection on the front and 2 rails to connect the IT2000 keyboard, it has 2 extra flat cables connected between the upper and lower board, it has a (non-working) usb and infrared port and it lacks the second pcb layer like the WDS tester .
It does however accept the WDS HDD so it will have to test if it does communicate with Ford / Jaguar/ Aston Martin vehicles using it's other pcb board setup....
This forum is great for finding info about the GDS3500 tester, lots of experience and very friendly and helpful people here !
Last edited by flasher; 10-12-2018 at 07:07 AM.
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i just noticed 1 fault in my drawing - the third (smaller) 1K resistor should be left out so mount only the right 1K resistor ……
the rest of the diagram is confirmed as i dismantled this test connector to use it as a base for a diagnostic lead for the Iveco GDS3500 tester (still have to find info about the wiring of this specific cable….)
the rest of the diagram is confirmed as i dismantled this test connector to use it as a base for a diagnostic lead for the Iveco GDS3500 tester (still have to find info about the wiring of this specific cable….)
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It's same like my username here. "djanib" Google mail.
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Hello to all members,
My WDS now do not start because it look like the GREEN button on the screen is not working now (I before changed the display which was with vertical lines but the new one was starting with a blank screen, no pictures. So,I wanted to reinstall the old, but now nothing start with the green button, the green led indicating the power is the only led on)
I would like to know if someone know how to start without the Touch Screen Green button?
Or if someone know where to find the Touch screen (ot the display, but the glass with the touch buttons?
I think that it could be because of the ribbon damaged....
Or some one have an used on to sell?
Thank in advance for your help!
Regards
Claude
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The WDS PTU is a Pentium I running at 233mhz. It was designed for Widows 98. (way too slow)
The IDS was introduced with the Panasonic CF-30 Windows XP PRO running at 1.6ghz
I am using a DELL C640 Pentium 4 running at 1.8ghz with XP PRO. I have IDS 118.5 and a Rotumda VCM. Toughbooks are nice but not necessary.
I don't think the newer VCM II is compatible with the older cars.
bob
The IDS was introduced with the Panasonic CF-30 Windows XP PRO running at 1.6ghz
I am using a DELL C640 Pentium 4 running at 1.8ghz with XP PRO. I have IDS 118.5 and a Rotumda VCM. Toughbooks are nice but not necessary.
I don't think the newer VCM II is compatible with the older cars.
bob
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because i started some new projects i have decided to sell all equipment displayed in my previous messages - the FDS2000 system is sold in the meanwhile but the WDS and IDS systems are for sale.
The WDS has a 3 brand ( Jaguar, Aston Martin and Ford ) software installed on 1 harddisk with mini keyboard for software choice at startup , new high capacity batteries,extended memory, docking station with two new power supplies, all Ford cables, a Aston Martin CAN switch cable , software etc.
The IDS system comes including the Original VCM1 interface , the Original IDS Panasonic CF18 laptop with a new battery , the docking station with enclosure and DVD RW player, cables, and software.
I also sell a complete Original VMM system with all cables and carrying case.
Furthermore i have a Original Iveco IT2000 (GDS3500 based) tester with new high capacity battery, extended memory , power supply and new made communication cable.
All items are in very good (often as new) condition.
Just send me a PM when you want more info or for your price proposal.
The WDS has a 3 brand ( Jaguar, Aston Martin and Ford ) software installed on 1 harddisk with mini keyboard for software choice at startup , new high capacity batteries,extended memory, docking station with two new power supplies, all Ford cables, a Aston Martin CAN switch cable , software etc.
The IDS system comes including the Original VCM1 interface , the Original IDS Panasonic CF18 laptop with a new battery , the docking station with enclosure and DVD RW player, cables, and software.
I also sell a complete Original VMM system with all cables and carrying case.
Furthermore i have a Original Iveco IT2000 (GDS3500 based) tester with new high capacity battery, extended memory , power supply and new made communication cable.
All items are in very good (often as new) condition.
Just send me a PM when you want more info or for your price proposal.
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Hello,
I managed to get one of those old WDS units and some FORD/MAZDA soft for it. I also have Jag cd 41 and 43. I don't have the JAG system cd-s and with FORD system cd it says wrong blue cd inserted. Also the 41 and 43 seem to be relatively new, so maybe not for WDS at all? Anybody still have Jag ISO-s uploaded somewhere and willing to share?
I managed to get one of those old WDS units and some FORD/MAZDA soft for it. I also have Jag cd 41 and 43. I don't have the JAG system cd-s and with FORD system cd it says wrong blue cd inserted. Also the 41 and 43 seem to be relatively new, so maybe not for WDS at all? Anybody still have Jag ISO-s uploaded somewhere and willing to share?
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Jaguar WDS41 was NOT a reliable version. I contacted Jaguar Tech Hotline about the software after a few problems our shop encountered and we were advised the go back to WDS40 until WDS42 was released.
Jaguar 42 is a two CD installation (42a and 42b)
Jaguar 43 requires 42a to be installed after the CD2 (GHOST), THEN CD43 can be installed instead of the 42b so it is also a two CD install.(CD2 is the Windows Operation System)
IDS used DVDs so the large file fits on a single disc.
Without CD2 (GHOST) or CD42a you cannot install the CD43 software onto the PDU.
CD41 can be installed as long as you also have CD2 (GHOST) but I never trusted it.
You cannot use Ford A5 or A6 as the CD2 to load the Windows operating system.
You can send me a Private Message after you introduce yourself in the new members area and get a few more posts.
bob
Jaguar 42 is a two CD installation (42a and 42b)
Jaguar 43 requires 42a to be installed after the CD2 (GHOST), THEN CD43 can be installed instead of the 42b so it is also a two CD install.(CD2 is the Windows Operation System)
IDS used DVDs so the large file fits on a single disc.
Without CD2 (GHOST) or CD42a you cannot install the CD43 software onto the PDU.
CD41 can be installed as long as you also have CD2 (GHOST) but I never trusted it.
You cannot use Ford A5 or A6 as the CD2 to load the Windows operating system.
You can send me a Private Message after you introduce yourself in the new members area and get a few more posts.
bob
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Hi Andr'e
Did you manage to sort out a matrix for the pin connections of the different cables, (I know the post is 3 years old but still need info) I have put my "modified" cable away until i can confirm the pin out and if any internal resistances are required, as i now have a new toy a 1998 convertible YEH! I will probably need the older cable at some stage so back to drawing board as they say.
Best regards
rrosscoe
Did you manage to sort out a matrix for the pin connections of the different cables, (I know the post is 3 years old but still need info) I have put my "modified" cable away until i can confirm the pin out and if any internal resistances are required, as i now have a new toy a 1998 convertible YEH! I will probably need the older cable at some stage so back to drawing board as they say.
Best regards
rrosscoe
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Hi rosscoe,
yes, it's been for a while but I am still close to this topic :-).
In our Forums (www.jaguar-hilfe.de) we are evaluating the pin connections and the inner resistors that might have been used to "code" the cables for the WDS (what a bullshit to do - life could have been so easy).
We are even evaluating the possibility to (re-)build cables of our own as the Jaguar cables are hardly available anymore. Meanwhile I have a 3D-printer for the plugs and other stuff, but someone has to model the plugs in 3D before we can start.
If I begin with that topic, that will take me some time to do it along all other Things.
But as soon as we have more information be sure we are going to post this here.
best regards
André
yes, it's been for a while but I am still close to this topic :-).
In our Forums (www.jaguar-hilfe.de) we are evaluating the pin connections and the inner resistors that might have been used to "code" the cables for the WDS (what a bullshit to do - life could have been so easy).
We are even evaluating the possibility to (re-)build cables of our own as the Jaguar cables are hardly available anymore. Meanwhile I have a 3D-printer for the plugs and other stuff, but someone has to model the plugs in 3D before we can start.
If I begin with that topic, that will take me some time to do it along all other Things.
But as soon as we have more information be sure we are going to post this here.
best regards
André
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