Genrad GDS3500 WDS Docking Station
#101
12-05-2011, 03:40 AM
Thanks for responding Bob.
A buddy of mine installed manny different 128 mb pc66 but not all of them worked. eventually he installed a 128mb pc133 kingston memory wich worked. only on the speed of pc66 memory. i have tried several but on installing the wds wont boot.
before ordering de 512 mb ram i would like to know if annyone have tested this
A buddy of mine installed manny different 128 mb pc66 but not all of them worked. eventually he installed a 128mb pc133 kingston memory wich worked. only on the speed of pc66 memory. i have tried several but on installing the wds wont boot.
before ordering de 512 mb ram i would like to know if annyone have tested this
#102
12-06-2011, 11:14 AM
#103
12-10-2011, 09:37 PM
#104
12-11-2011, 08:59 AM
The only thing in the docking station is basically the expansion section of a computer.
The PTU is a 'stand-alone' unit with a Windows type computer in one half and a VCM (vehicle communication module) in the other.
The 2 sections are electronically connected by a set of 'PINS' that must be aligned when connecting or disconnecting the halves. You need to split the halves STRAIGHT away from each other. Do not slide the halves sideways or tilt them too far or the pins will bend.
The RAM is on the computer side of the unit (the front side with the screen).
There is room for one stick of RAM and the other 'slot' has 32 soldered direct to the board.
The hard drive and battery MUST be removed before the case halves are 'split'.
bob gauff
The PTU is a 'stand-alone' unit with a Windows type computer in one half and a VCM (vehicle communication module) in the other.
The 2 sections are electronically connected by a set of 'PINS' that must be aligned when connecting or disconnecting the halves. You need to split the halves STRAIGHT away from each other. Do not slide the halves sideways or tilt them too far or the pins will bend.
The RAM is on the computer side of the unit (the front side with the screen).
There is room for one stick of RAM and the other 'slot' has 32 soldered direct to the board.
The hard drive and battery MUST be removed before the case halves are 'split'.
bob gauff
#105
12-11-2011, 04:15 PM
Taking the PTU apart was a little scary at first, but like mentioned, pop the hard drive and batter, and pull the two halves STRAIGHT apart and it's fine. I stuffed 128mb of PC66 in, and it feels snappier. I think a faster hard drive would make a HUGE difference though.
I know this is out of place, but seeing as how this is the most comprehensive WDS thread I can find on the internet...
I'd love it if anyone could PM me with a suggestion as to the value of a functioning WDS (bad battery) w/ tons of cables, docking station/cabinet, newest ford software (I'll get and include Jag) manuals, etc. My business is changing, and I'd rather buy a slightly less comprehensive tool that does more brands....
I know this is out of place, but seeing as how this is the most comprehensive WDS thread I can find on the internet...
I'd love it if anyone could PM me with a suggestion as to the value of a functioning WDS (bad battery) w/ tons of cables, docking station/cabinet, newest ford software (I'll get and include Jag) manuals, etc. My business is changing, and I'd rather buy a slightly less comprehensive tool that does more brands....
#106
12-11-2011, 05:36 PM
There are a bunch of WDS units on eBay for around $400.00 but most are not complete with cables and software. I paid $400 for a Ford with software, cabinet and cables but the docking station had problems. I bought a docking station for $100 and some cables for $100 so I have some money invested but I work on several Jaguar a month so it has paid for itself.
The WDS is good up to 2006 cars so it is still a useful tool. I can programme keys and configure modules so it works for me.
I would guess $500 to $800 would be reasonable for a Ford/Jaguar with separate Hard Drives and booklets/cables/software.
You might get more if the setup includes what the buyer is looking for.
You can get more diagnostic equipment for Fords than Jaguar so you might convert it to Jaguar and advertize Ford as secondary??????
Just a thought
bob gauff
The WDS is good up to 2006 cars so it is still a useful tool. I can programme keys and configure modules so it works for me.
I would guess $500 to $800 would be reasonable for a Ford/Jaguar with separate Hard Drives and booklets/cables/software.
You might get more if the setup includes what the buyer is looking for.
You can get more diagnostic equipment for Fords than Jaguar so you might convert it to Jaguar and advertize Ford as secondary??????
Just a thought
bob gauff
#107
12-12-2011, 09:26 PM
So on the VCM half...can you transfer the WDS to a knock off VCM housing and turn it into the same kind of VCM module that ford now sells with a manditory subscription to use? I ask because it's my understanding that the WDS did not require the subscription...so in theory, you might be able to convert it to a more modern VCM/IDS unit that is subscription free and access ford's network without any legal issues.
Wes
Wes
#108
12-13-2011, 08:20 AM
I have no idea how that would be possible. The WDS is a Windows 98 Pentium I 233mhz computer. The software supports Jaguar from 1995 to 2006.
The IDS/VCM software requires XP Pro and a laptop with USB.
If you completely understand computers and hardware modifications you might 'bodge together' a diagnostic 'frankenstien' to communicate with a Jaguar.
What software would you use??????????????
bob gauff
The IDS/VCM software requires XP Pro and a laptop with USB.
If you completely understand computers and hardware modifications you might 'bodge together' a diagnostic 'frankenstien' to communicate with a Jaguar.
What software would you use??????????????
bob gauff
#109
01-12-2012, 08:43 PM
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steve my wds docking station ps went bad and i see you have converted a new ps to operate yours!
please tell me what you did to do so since i don't want to fry the mother board
thanks
tom ace595@hotmail.com
please tell me what you did to do so since i don't want to fry the mother board
thanks
tom ace595@hotmail.com
#110
02-06-2012, 06:51 PM
Hi Guys. My names Mark i am a senior bodyshop technician for a Ford main dealer, our service dept has 3 WDS units that do not work anymore and i have brought them all home to try and get at least one working to get us out of trouble as IDS struggles or does not work on really old fords that WDS used to so occasionally we become unstuck at work as u can imagine!
The service dept senior tech is ok with loading the cd's etc BUT thats as far as it goes for him but i am more into computers too so i have offered to help out as best i can........
Right i'll list the faults below to see if u have any ideas......
WDS 1. worked fine , one day would not turn on. always cared for and now totally unresponsive - no lights or anything. original battery but even on 12v cable or base station absolutely dead. i have removed the hdd and put it in a caddy and it is fine, no errors. partitioned into 2 sections.
WDS 2. worked fine , newish battery one day would not load windows. service tech reinstalled cd's (not me) and still the same. it loads bios and gets halfwas through windows where u see the little bar moving from left to right at the bottom of the windows logo and freezes. Boots in safe mode ok, wont load TABMAN.EXE comes up with an error. If i try loading GDSshell.EXE i get the blue screen of death and computer crashes.
WDS3. wont turn on, when power button is pressed the power LED comes on but i get a flashing ( ! ) light on the LED panel and thats it (LED 5). newish battery and HDD is fine in a Caddy. tried HDD from WDS 1. and its still dead. HDD does not power up or no noises from WDS. - LED 1 and 4 stay on and 5 flashes when green button is presses. if i hold green and red buttons it beeps and then does the same.
basically i got 3 hdd's working, 2 batteries i know are good, 1 WDS that loads in safe mode but not normal and when thew cd's are reloaded its still the same and even with different HDD's in again it still wont load windows normally. The battery on the motherboard must be ok as the clock is still spot on after months of no use.
Ford Technical wont help us as this is obsolete but there are cd's kicking about at work if i need them.
cant get into BIOS as we dont know that password......
i am powering from home by 12v cable and a keyboard plugged into the top of the WDS, if i need i can bring the basestation home for cd drive etc. basestation PSU got replaced a few years ago.
Any ideas?????
Thanks in advance!
Mark
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UPDATE -
i have took apart WDS 1. to see whats what and cant see nothing obvious its a total strip to get to the power board in tha very back of it and in tempted to try changing boards over one at a time from the other that wont start.
theres 3 boards by the looks of things , the motherboard is on the back of the screen then theres the board that looks as if it is the data collector board from the inputs in the top of the WDS and finally the power board.
there is no extra RAM in anyone but the CPU looks removable if ever needed.
I took pics too and when i get a min i might upload to photobucket and put the link on here incase it helps anyone one day......
Mark
The service dept senior tech is ok with loading the cd's etc BUT thats as far as it goes for him but i am more into computers too so i have offered to help out as best i can........
Right i'll list the faults below to see if u have any ideas......
WDS 1. worked fine , one day would not turn on. always cared for and now totally unresponsive - no lights or anything. original battery but even on 12v cable or base station absolutely dead. i have removed the hdd and put it in a caddy and it is fine, no errors. partitioned into 2 sections.
WDS 2. worked fine , newish battery one day would not load windows. service tech reinstalled cd's (not me) and still the same. it loads bios and gets halfwas through windows where u see the little bar moving from left to right at the bottom of the windows logo and freezes. Boots in safe mode ok, wont load TABMAN.EXE comes up with an error. If i try loading GDSshell.EXE i get the blue screen of death and computer crashes.
WDS3. wont turn on, when power button is pressed the power LED comes on but i get a flashing ( ! ) light on the LED panel and thats it (LED 5). newish battery and HDD is fine in a Caddy. tried HDD from WDS 1. and its still dead. HDD does not power up or no noises from WDS. - LED 1 and 4 stay on and 5 flashes when green button is presses. if i hold green and red buttons it beeps and then does the same.
basically i got 3 hdd's working, 2 batteries i know are good, 1 WDS that loads in safe mode but not normal and when thew cd's are reloaded its still the same and even with different HDD's in again it still wont load windows normally. The battery on the motherboard must be ok as the clock is still spot on after months of no use.
Ford Technical wont help us as this is obsolete but there are cd's kicking about at work if i need them.
cant get into BIOS as we dont know that password......
i am powering from home by 12v cable and a keyboard plugged into the top of the WDS, if i need i can bring the basestation home for cd drive etc. basestation PSU got replaced a few years ago.
Any ideas?????
Thanks in advance!
Mark
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UPDATE -
i have took apart WDS 1. to see whats what and cant see nothing obvious its a total strip to get to the power board in tha very back of it and in tempted to try changing boards over one at a time from the other that wont start.
theres 3 boards by the looks of things , the motherboard is on the back of the screen then theres the board that looks as if it is the data collector board from the inputs in the top of the WDS and finally the power board.
there is no extra RAM in anyone but the CPU looks removable if ever needed.
I took pics too and when i get a min i might upload to photobucket and put the link on here incase it helps anyone one day......
Mark
#111
02-08-2012, 08:52 AM
Dead WDS
Hi Mark,
I think I can help. I had the same kind of troubles with my own WDS as you have with WDS 2 and 3. The problem with mine was the battery. What I've learned is that both during win 98 start-up and during WDS start-up the battery level and resistance (as a measure of ability to function properly) is being checked by the system. If anything is not allright with the battery, the system will halt - for instance at the Win98 screen as you described. Running the system on 12v or on mains won't help because the battery is still being reported as faulty to the PTU. If the battery chip is reporting to the PTU being 'dead' it won't be charged by the PTU - so the problem won't be solved by letting the PTU connected to the system.
What I did to start the system - I 'fooled' the system by taking the battery out, removing the shrink foil, so you can see the individual cells. Then I connected a NIMH charger directly to the cells for a couple of hours - so bypassing the built-in chip in the battery pack which is preventing charging the cells. In this way you can put some current in the cells, so that at the end the pack is giving you 9.6 volts. Put it back in the system and start the system on mains. If you are lucky the system will start-up and will start charging the battery again. In my case it worked, but the battery lasted at the end for only 1 minute, so I replaced all the cells in my pack with industrial cells from Sanyo, giving me almost one hour on battery power!!
I hope this ‘trick’ will work for you! If you need help with your battery pack, please let me know. Yvo
I think I can help. I had the same kind of troubles with my own WDS as you have with WDS 2 and 3. The problem with mine was the battery. What I've learned is that both during win 98 start-up and during WDS start-up the battery level and resistance (as a measure of ability to function properly) is being checked by the system. If anything is not allright with the battery, the system will halt - for instance at the Win98 screen as you described. Running the system on 12v or on mains won't help because the battery is still being reported as faulty to the PTU. If the battery chip is reporting to the PTU being 'dead' it won't be charged by the PTU - so the problem won't be solved by letting the PTU connected to the system.
What I did to start the system - I 'fooled' the system by taking the battery out, removing the shrink foil, so you can see the individual cells. Then I connected a NIMH charger directly to the cells for a couple of hours - so bypassing the built-in chip in the battery pack which is preventing charging the cells. In this way you can put some current in the cells, so that at the end the pack is giving you 9.6 volts. Put it back in the system and start the system on mains. If you are lucky the system will start-up and will start charging the battery again. In my case it worked, but the battery lasted at the end for only 1 minute, so I replaced all the cells in my pack with industrial cells from Sanyo, giving me almost one hour on battery power!!
I hope this ‘trick’ will work for you! If you need help with your battery pack, please let me know. Yvo
Hi Guys. My names Mark i am a senior bodyshop technician for a Ford main dealer, our service dept has 3 WDS units that do not work anymore and i have brought them all home to try and get at least one working to get us out of trouble as IDS struggles or does not work on really old fords that WDS used to so occasionally we become unstuck at work as u can imagine!
The service dept senior tech is ok with loading the cd's etc BUT thats as far as it goes for him but i am more into computers too so i have offered to help out as best i can........
Right i'll list the faults below to see if u have any ideas......
WDS 1. worked fine , one day would not turn on. always cared for and now totally unresponsive - no lights or anything. original battery but even on 12v cable or base station absolutely dead. i have removed the hdd and put it in a caddy and it is fine, no errors. partitioned into 2 sections.
WDS 2. worked fine , newish battery one day would not load windows. service tech reinstalled cd's (not me) and still the same. it loads bios and gets halfwas through windows where u see the little bar moving from left to right at the bottom of the windows logo and freezes. Boots in safe mode ok, wont load TABMAN.EXE comes up with an error. If i try loading GDSshell.EXE i get the blue screen of death and computer crashes.
WDS3. wont turn on, when power button is pressed the power LED comes on but i get a flashing ( ! ) light on the LED panel and thats it (LED 5). newish battery and HDD is fine in a Caddy. tried HDD from WDS 1. and its still dead. HDD does not power up or no noises from WDS. - LED 1 and 4 stay on and 5 flashes when green button is presses. if i hold green and red buttons it beeps and then does the same.
basically i got 3 hdd's working, 2 batteries i know are good, 1 WDS that loads in safe mode but not normal and when thew cd's are reloaded its still the same and even with different HDD's in again it still wont load windows normally. The battery on the motherboard must be ok as the clock is still spot on after months of no use.
Ford Technical wont help us as this is obsolete but there are cd's kicking about at work if i need them.
cant get into BIOS as we dont know that password......
i am powering from home by 12v cable and a keyboard plugged into the top of the WDS, if i need i can bring the basestation home for cd drive etc. basestation PSU got replaced a few years ago.
Any ideas?????
Thanks in advance!
Mark
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UPDATE -
i have took apart WDS 1. to see whats what and cant see nothing obvious its a total strip to get to the power board in tha very back of it and in tempted to try changing boards over one at a time from the other that wont start.
theres 3 boards by the looks of things , the motherboard is on the back of the screen then theres the board that looks as if it is the data collector board from the inputs in the top of the WDS and finally the power board.
there is no extra RAM in anyone but the CPU looks removable if ever needed.
I took pics too and when i get a min i might upload to photobucket and put the link on here incase it helps anyone one day......
Mark
The service dept senior tech is ok with loading the cd's etc BUT thats as far as it goes for him but i am more into computers too so i have offered to help out as best i can........
Right i'll list the faults below to see if u have any ideas......
WDS 1. worked fine , one day would not turn on. always cared for and now totally unresponsive - no lights or anything. original battery but even on 12v cable or base station absolutely dead. i have removed the hdd and put it in a caddy and it is fine, no errors. partitioned into 2 sections.
WDS 2. worked fine , newish battery one day would not load windows. service tech reinstalled cd's (not me) and still the same. it loads bios and gets halfwas through windows where u see the little bar moving from left to right at the bottom of the windows logo and freezes. Boots in safe mode ok, wont load TABMAN.EXE comes up with an error. If i try loading GDSshell.EXE i get the blue screen of death and computer crashes.
WDS3. wont turn on, when power button is pressed the power LED comes on but i get a flashing ( ! ) light on the LED panel and thats it (LED 5). newish battery and HDD is fine in a Caddy. tried HDD from WDS 1. and its still dead. HDD does not power up or no noises from WDS. - LED 1 and 4 stay on and 5 flashes when green button is presses. if i hold green and red buttons it beeps and then does the same.
basically i got 3 hdd's working, 2 batteries i know are good, 1 WDS that loads in safe mode but not normal and when thew cd's are reloaded its still the same and even with different HDD's in again it still wont load windows normally. The battery on the motherboard must be ok as the clock is still spot on after months of no use.
Ford Technical wont help us as this is obsolete but there are cd's kicking about at work if i need them.
cant get into BIOS as we dont know that password......
i am powering from home by 12v cable and a keyboard plugged into the top of the WDS, if i need i can bring the basestation home for cd drive etc. basestation PSU got replaced a few years ago.
Any ideas?????
Thanks in advance!
Mark
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UPDATE -
i have took apart WDS 1. to see whats what and cant see nothing obvious its a total strip to get to the power board in tha very back of it and in tempted to try changing boards over one at a time from the other that wont start.
theres 3 boards by the looks of things , the motherboard is on the back of the screen then theres the board that looks as if it is the data collector board from the inputs in the top of the WDS and finally the power board.
there is no extra RAM in anyone but the CPU looks removable if ever needed.
I took pics too and when i get a min i might upload to photobucket and put the link on here incase it helps anyone one day......
Mark
#112
02-08-2012, 02:08 PM
thanks for your reply! today i got a new battery delivered so i will try that. the docking station is at work and i am wondering if i need that to fully charge the battery or can it be done by plugging the 12v lead into it overnight?
i have tried a different battery from another machines and also changed over HDD's on the one that freezes on windows start up with no luck BUT i forgot to bring the new battery home with me tonight so will have to wait til tomorrow night.
Its a little fustrating with 3 units sitting around me and they all have different problems that are prooving fustrating to get going. i hoped by swopping a few bits over i could at least get one going easily but as you say you had these probs from a faulty battery i will definately wait to try that before i pull my hair out lol
thanks again for your help!!
Mark.
i have tried a different battery from another machines and also changed over HDD's on the one that freezes on windows start up with no luck BUT i forgot to bring the new battery home with me tonight so will have to wait til tomorrow night.
Its a little fustrating with 3 units sitting around me and they all have different problems that are prooving fustrating to get going. i hoped by swopping a few bits over i could at least get one going easily but as you say you had these probs from a faulty battery i will definately wait to try that before i pull my hair out lol
thanks again for your help!!
Mark.
#113
02-09-2012, 08:34 AM
Charging at 12 volt or mains
Hi Mark,
I'm pretty sure it won't charge on the 12v supply. Looking through manual it states that the battery will only be charged when the PTU is in the docking station - one of the main functions of the docking station.
When it is in the docking station and when is has powered up you can run the battery conditioning software in WDS. This program will fully charge the battery (which should take a couple of hours) and then drain the battery (which should last for 20 min) and then re-charge it.
I still think that at least 2 of your machines will work with a new battery pack and placed in the docking station - so good luck! Yvo
I'm pretty sure it won't charge on the 12v supply. Looking through manual it states that the battery will only be charged when the PTU is in the docking station - one of the main functions of the docking station.
When it is in the docking station and when is has powered up you can run the battery conditioning software in WDS. This program will fully charge the battery (which should take a couple of hours) and then drain the battery (which should last for 20 min) and then re-charge it.
I still think that at least 2 of your machines will work with a new battery pack and placed in the docking station - so good luck! Yvo
#114
02-09-2012, 02:31 PM
Hi "first post"
I was just reading this very good thread and I´m also looking into modding my PTU. I´m also up for a battery change but i want to get my unit working before. I had issues with the harddrive as the bios is set to fixed sector size etc i changed to Auto as it will then adapt to the new harddrive.
For people who dont now their bios password you can try "dmwhjw" i think this is the master password for all units. If it dosnt work download cmospwd and restart youre comouter in dos mode and run both apps in the dos folder and look in the AMI section.
Ps: Can anybody be soo kind and help me out with the cds as my drive was dead. I have the wds 34 cd.
I was just reading this very good thread and I´m also looking into modding my PTU. I´m also up for a battery change but i want to get my unit working before. I had issues with the harddrive as the bios is set to fixed sector size etc i changed to Auto as it will then adapt to the new harddrive.
For people who dont now their bios password you can try "dmwhjw" i think this is the master password for all units. If it dosnt work download cmospwd and restart youre comouter in dos mode and run both apps in the dos folder and look in the AMI section.
Ps: Can anybody be soo kind and help me out with the cds as my drive was dead. I have the wds 34 cd.
THANK YOU zizip!!!!!!!!
bob gauff
#115
02-09-2012, 06:22 PM
#116
02-11-2012, 12:58 AM
Hi Mark,
I'm pretty sure it won't charge on the 12v supply. Looking through manual it states that the battery will only be charged when the PTU is in the docking station - one of the main functions of the docking station.
I still think that at least 2 of your machines will work with a new battery pack and placed in the docking station - so good luck! Yvo
I'm pretty sure it won't charge on the 12v supply. Looking through manual it states that the battery will only be charged when the PTU is in the docking station - one of the main functions of the docking station.
I still think that at least 2 of your machines will work with a new battery pack and placed in the docking station - so good luck! Yvo
I got WDS 2 working with just a new battery - seems windows does have a command on start up to check the batt and if it fails then it just wont load!!!! - one to remember!!!!!
WDS 3 asscording to the install guide has -
Diagnostic LED (E)
This RED lamp illuminates to indicate that the PTU has a fault. If this lamp flashes or illuminates, refer to the
Troubleshooting section.This RED lamp illuminates to indicate that the PTU has a fault. If this lamp flashes or illuminates, refer to the
This is flashing and in the troubleshooting section it says call ford technical - who now dont help us any more but before i go any further i will try the new battery in the other 2 but WDS 2's HDD needed formatting so its running on WDS 3's at the moment with the new batt.
Another one to remember the battery DOES charge just on the 12v lead!!!! I went into the system information once it was running and could see the battery charge percentage going up so i left it powered up all night and will check it later on when i get back from work.
I will try the other 2 batteries to see if they are dead in WDS 2 now i know thats running and if need be i will follow your trick to get the batteries to come alive again
Getting there fellas! - THANKS for ALL your input so far....
Mark
#117
03-04-2012, 03:42 PM
Junior Member
Help with a faulty wds No Charge of Battery
Hi , i have just got hold of a ford wds with docking station from ebay and i am in the process of repairing the system. The wds and the docking station is completly dead with non lights etc. I soon confirmed that the power solve 250w power supply was faulty. I removed the power supply and found capacitors faulty and burnt printed tracks . I got holt of a atx power supply and rewired the P8 plug to have three blacks and three orange in the correct order and removed the spare cables from the 20 pin power plug. This was then pluged into the mains and lights came on the dock but the green led on the docking pcb that checks +16 volts was dim due to this power supply not giving 16 volts out unlike the power solve gr250. I read that another member had done the same as i have but they stated that the 16 volts to 12 volts from the replacement pus was not a problem.
The WDS is still dead with no lights even pressing the green button does nothing. The next stage was to open the wds up and look at all boards and all looked ok and does not look like other people have been in the unit so that was good. I then dismantled the batter pack and disconected the pcb within the battery and then charged the battery pack direct for 1 hour at about 700mA and charged up ok. I then refitted to the wds and a press of the green button started the wds in windows 98 mode so was a good sign.
The first question is will the wds power up on the dock with no battery pack ? I have no power or lights with a discharged battery when on the dock. I can only think it may requre the 16 Volts to power the wds from the dock and 12 volts is too low ? or the power supply pcb may have a problem . I looked for smd fuses within the wds but did not see any with a good look over the pcbs .
I work with electronic repaires so just need any help on how the system should work and where to start next .
Thanks from your help in advance . I am new to WDS and have the ford discs with this but would like to make a Jaguar hard drive if i can find a member with the jag discs etc.
The WDS is still dead with no lights even pressing the green button does nothing. The next stage was to open the wds up and look at all boards and all looked ok and does not look like other people have been in the unit so that was good. I then dismantled the batter pack and disconected the pcb within the battery and then charged the battery pack direct for 1 hour at about 700mA and charged up ok. I then refitted to the wds and a press of the green button started the wds in windows 98 mode so was a good sign.
The first question is will the wds power up on the dock with no battery pack ? I have no power or lights with a discharged battery when on the dock. I can only think it may requre the 16 Volts to power the wds from the dock and 12 volts is too low ? or the power supply pcb may have a problem . I looked for smd fuses within the wds but did not see any with a good look over the pcbs .
I work with electronic repaires so just need any help on how the system should work and where to start next .
Thanks from your help in advance . I am new to WDS and have the ford discs with this but would like to make a Jaguar hard drive if i can find a member with the jag discs etc.
#118
03-05-2012, 08:42 AM
There are several of us with the Jaguar software. You will need the A-204 battery cable and a B-203 Diagnostic cable.
The A-204 will provide 12V power to the PTU without the Docking Station.
The B-203 will also power the PTU when the cable is attached to the vehicle.
The battery must be installed at all times the unit is booted up.
The PTU will 'check' to see if the battery is in the circuit. A battery fault will be displayed by a 4 digit number and a message to contact a service center.
I had a faulty Docking Station when I bought my WDS. I found a used DS on eBay for $50 + Shipping so I got it and now everything operates normally.
I was still on good terms with the Jaguar dealer I previously worked at so I asked if I could test my PTU on the Dealer Docking Station and they agreed to let me load some software to be sure the PTU was OK before I bought another DS.
Technically, you don't need the docking station except to use the printer, load software, transfer data to the 'floppy drive' and condition the batteries.
I have not taken my power supply apart so I have no advise on that.
I did provide 'pinout' info on the A-204 cable to someone who wanted to power the PTU with the 'A' socket. It might be on the forum somewhere.
bob gauff
The A-204 will provide 12V power to the PTU without the Docking Station.
The B-203 will also power the PTU when the cable is attached to the vehicle.
The battery must be installed at all times the unit is booted up.
The PTU will 'check' to see if the battery is in the circuit. A battery fault will be displayed by a 4 digit number and a message to contact a service center.
I had a faulty Docking Station when I bought my WDS. I found a used DS on eBay for $50 + Shipping so I got it and now everything operates normally.
I was still on good terms with the Jaguar dealer I previously worked at so I asked if I could test my PTU on the Dealer Docking Station and they agreed to let me load some software to be sure the PTU was OK before I bought another DS.
Technically, you don't need the docking station except to use the printer, load software, transfer data to the 'floppy drive' and condition the batteries.
I have not taken my power supply apart so I have no advise on that.
I did provide 'pinout' info on the A-204 cable to someone who wanted to power the PTU with the 'A' socket. It might be on the forum somewhere.
bob gauff
Last edited by motorcarman; 03-05-2012 at 08:45 AM.
#119
03-05-2012, 03:02 PM
Junior Member
Thanks for the info . I have a cable that is the obdII to the PTU and is the large square type of plug but do not have the 12 volt power cable and plug. I did a few more tests and think i know why my ptu was dead when pluged into the dock due to the 16 volts being low by the test led within the dock being low . The 16 volts is supplied via the orange cables to the P8 plug but the Orange wires from a AXT PSU are for the CPU and are only 3.3V DC . That would explain while the PTU would not power up as it was only getting 3.3 volts instead of 16 volts dc.
I now have the power supply apart and am looking into see if i can find a point where i can tap off a higher voltage .
Do you know if i can still get a 12 volt power cable or just a multi plug to fit the ptu so i can make a power cable . Do you know the maker of the multi plugs on the rear of the PTU.
Thanks for your help
I now have the power supply apart and am looking into see if i can find a point where i can tap off a higher voltage .
Do you know if i can still get a 12 volt power cable or just a multi plug to fit the ptu so i can make a power cable . Do you know the maker of the multi plugs on the rear of the PTU.
Thanks for your help
#120
03-05-2012, 09:34 PM
There are several OBDII cables for the WDS. The B-203 is the Jaguar and early Ford cable.
The later Ford cable is a BLUE end (B-259) cable and will not work on the Jags.
I found some A-204 battery cables on eBay but none lately.
Do a search for WDS A-204 battery cable and see if you can find one.
The power cable is necessary for the Jaguar (and Ford??) for configuring modules.
If the WDS PTU requests the A-204 12V supply and you don't connect it, the PTU will detect it and the procedure will stop and the application will shut down.
Keep at the power supply or find a good used on the internet for sale 'cheap' and install it.
bob gauff
The later Ford cable is a BLUE end (B-259) cable and will not work on the Jags.
I found some A-204 battery cables on eBay but none lately.
Do a search for WDS A-204 battery cable and see if you can find one.
The power cable is necessary for the Jaguar (and Ford??) for configuring modules.
If the WDS PTU requests the A-204 12V supply and you don't connect it, the PTU will detect it and the procedure will stop and the application will shut down.
Keep at the power supply or find a good used on the internet for sale 'cheap' and install it.
bob gauff