IDS, SDD the naked truth
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Hilarious thread, and reading it instantly brought back memories of the original wunderbox, the JDS.
The dealership owner looked puzzled when he saw his $25K machine in my bay, with a microwave atop the spiffy cabinet instead. He saw that I turned more hours with hot coffee and hard work than I could with the infernal "Juxtaposed Data Streamer", and no more was said.
There's a joint in Kentucky that took over the WDS repairs, you can still get bits and updates. For an independent like me, who was COMPLETELY CUT OFF from Jaguar training after leaving a dealership in 1990, it goes as far as WDS and no farther.
The dealership owner looked puzzled when he saw his $25K machine in my bay, with a microwave atop the spiffy cabinet instead. He saw that I turned more hours with hot coffee and hard work than I could with the infernal "Juxtaposed Data Streamer", and no more was said.
There's a joint in Kentucky that took over the WDS repairs, you can still get bits and updates. For an independent like me, who was COMPLETELY CUT OFF from Jaguar training after leaving a dealership in 1990, it goes as far as WDS and no farther.
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I'm thinking that it would be more cost efficient to buy old Jags from estate sales in Palm Springs and just junk out whatever Jag wife is driving when inevitable hiccups appear rather than even attempt repair(s). Two local independents are clueless (or sharks) and local dealer is kaput.
After TWO timing chain plastic parts capers to repair the original design fiasco, I am still hearing that it "could" be the problem with a recently-developing ticking noise on start that disappears upon goosing the gas. I'd rather drive to Palm Springs and buy another Jag and give the dead Jag to Father Joe's tax haven than put up with the local chicanery.
Oops, forgot to mention the spit-back on fueling fiasco (bad CCV?... solved by pulling elec lead thus generating dreaded ENGINE LIGHT) that local IJROA (Independent Jag Rip-off Artist) told me he could fix with a new gas tank ($2K USD) or a gently used gas tank ($1K USD).
'98 VDP
90K miles
And now all of this electronic voodoo gets added to the mix and the IJROA can be partially excused from the plot. Thus, the title of this posting.
A million thanks to starter, Real. Caveat emptor.
/signature/ imagine black '98 VDP with geezer at wheel
After TWO timing chain plastic parts capers to repair the original design fiasco, I am still hearing that it "could" be the problem with a recently-developing ticking noise on start that disappears upon goosing the gas. I'd rather drive to Palm Springs and buy another Jag and give the dead Jag to Father Joe's tax haven than put up with the local chicanery.
Oops, forgot to mention the spit-back on fueling fiasco (bad CCV?... solved by pulling elec lead thus generating dreaded ENGINE LIGHT) that local IJROA (Independent Jag Rip-off Artist) told me he could fix with a new gas tank ($2K USD) or a gently used gas tank ($1K USD).
'98 VDP
90K miles
And now all of this electronic voodoo gets added to the mix and the IJROA can be partially excused from the plot. Thus, the title of this posting.
A million thanks to starter, Real. Caveat emptor.
/signature/ imagine black '98 VDP with geezer at wheel
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Just for Info: I had problems with installing IDS SDD 131 Full on the CF-18. So I called Helpdesk and they told me SDD 131 will no longer work on older Hardware!
So IDS SDD 130 is the LAST working Version on old Laptops like the Panasonic CF-18 or any other "usually unsupported Laptops".
SDD 131 does a Hardware Check and not let you install it! So better backup your IDS SDD DVD 130 / Downloaded Exe Files with all Updates if you want to use them in future on unsupportet Hardware!
Best Regards Pinky!
So IDS SDD 130 is the LAST working Version on old Laptops like the Panasonic CF-18 or any other "usually unsupported Laptops".
SDD 131 does a Hardware Check and not let you install it! So better backup your IDS SDD DVD 130 / Downloaded Exe Files with all Updates if you want to use them in future on unsupportet Hardware!
Best Regards Pinky!
#25
All is not lost. At least until recently Autologic was just as good as IDS / SDD and had some good features that SDD did not. With OBD being per definition an open system there will be enough money in keeping things like Autologic going which in turn is good news for the indies and thus us owners. They will of course lag a bit but no matter, the new under warranty cars usually go to the dealer sanyway.
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Very interesting. I knew there were only one smart mechanic (called foreman(?)) for each dealer and all other mechanics ask for his help every day.
I don't understand why all dealer mechanics cannot read 120 instruction pages(mentioned in one of posts), when new diagnostic system sent to dealers.
I don't understand why all dealer mechanics cannot read 120 instruction pages(mentioned in one of posts), when new diagnostic system sent to dealers.
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1. OFFICIAL: current version 1.53 - online with a TOPIx subscription
2. PIRATED: version 1.50 or earlier - offline and cracked
From version 1.51 Jaguar changed delivery of SPA (Single Point Authoring). SPA and VDF files are no longer included in version updates on the Diagnostic Delivery Server but are now automatically requested and downloaded as they are required. This effectively prevents cracking for offline use.
Graham
Last edited by GGG; 06-12-2018 at 02:45 AM.
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There's two ways to run SDD:
1. OFFICIAL: current version 1.53 - online with a TOPIx subscription
2. PIRATED: version 1.50 or earlier - offline and cracked
From version 1.51 Jaguar changed delivery of SPA (Single Point Authoring). SPA and VDF files are no longer included in version updates on the Diagnostic Delivery Server but are now automatically requested and downloaded as they are required. This effectively prevents cracking for offline use.
Graham
1. OFFICIAL: current version 1.53 - online with a TOPIx subscription
2. PIRATED: version 1.50 or earlier - offline and cracked
From version 1.51 Jaguar changed delivery of SPA (Single Point Authoring). SPA and VDF files are no longer included in version updates on the Diagnostic Delivery Server but are now automatically requested and downloaded as they are required. This effectively prevents cracking for offline use.
Graham
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As what was mentioned before:
From version 1.51 Jaguar changed delivery of SPA (Single Point Authoring). SPA and VDF files are no longer included in version updates on the Diagnostic Delivery Server but are now automatically requested and downloaded as they are required. This effectively prevents cracking for offline use.
I am using it connected to my WIFI, So whenever it needs a file it has to download it from their servers. Of course, if you have it online then go offline it will still work, unless it needs to request a new file which you don't already have downloaded. So in reality, it's online, but you can still use it offline once the files have been downloaded.
From version 1.51 Jaguar changed delivery of SPA (Single Point Authoring). SPA and VDF files are no longer included in version updates on the Diagnostic Delivery Server but are now automatically requested and downloaded as they are required. This effectively prevents cracking for offline use.
I am using it connected to my WIFI, So whenever it needs a file it has to download it from their servers. Of course, if you have it online then go offline it will still work, unless it needs to request a new file which you don't already have downloaded. So in reality, it's online, but you can still use it offline once the files have been downloaded.
Last edited by harryf; 06-13-2018 at 09:48 AM.
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Another thing is of course where are we heading? With more and more module based repairs aka "change out big costly pieces - do not repair anything" the error code based repairs will eventually become simpler again. Add a dose of self-diagnostics and we are almost there. After all, cars are becoming more and more like household commodities. Glad I have a classic car or two ;-)
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#39
Wow. Stumbled on this thread today
if anyone is still monitoring this thread, you are the folks that have the knowledge to send me in the right direction for what ails my 2003 XKR . Every indi shop I've contacted regarding my computer problems has IGNORED my plead for help. I've got an ACC module to install and one system that was poorly reflashed. Apparently after that happened it was learned that the software is no longer available to fix it. I'm in the Atlanta GA area if anyone can give me a clue to who I can track out to. Still willing to spend on the old girl!
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Charbin the foundation has a PDU (functioning) a JDS (getting there need battery pack) and a WDS with all software updates. The WDS is new and came from the training center at Jaguar (NJ). I have used it on my 2003 car and it recognizes the VIN so yours should not be an issue. You are about 3 hours away and you are welcome to come use the machine. Here is the rub--we are learning and have had no formal training. We do have a retired Jaguar Tech. that you could work with to be there but that will be between you and him. If you are interested please reply privately for phone.
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