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Old 05-06-2022, 05:30 PM
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I just got the 2000 S-Type back from the shop after having the engine replaced, got it for a price I could not refuse with engine problems, basically a gift so the repair wasn't a big deal, it absolutely proves that Jaguar's are the finest vehicle made. Asked the owner of the shop that replaced engine about oil change intervals, and he said "well, you know it's a Jaguar, and you are supposed to use synthetic oil, so Jaguar says the service intervals are at 10,000 miles or yearly. He said you can find the maintenance interval and schedule in the owner's litature that should be in the car somewhere or ask the previous owner if they still have it. I have the owner's portfolio, and have read some of the owner's manual and stereo manual to set clock and presets, but have not really looked much further at it, since the priority was getting it running properly. He also stated that premium fuel is required.... that much I already knew, plus there is a big notice on the inside of the fuel door so... kinda obvious, plus the Volvo and BMW I have owned previously required premium, so expected that.

I have always ran synthetic in all my vehicles, namely Amsoil or Royal Purple, but have always dumped it and the filter between 4500-5500 miles.... is it really recommended to let the oil stay in for 10,000 miles of mainly city use? That like doesn't sound very good for the poor motor.....

I want to keep this car for a very long time, it has zero rust which is very rare for a chicago illinois car, and an almost perfect interior.... and have to say although I liked my Volvo and BMW, they do not compare to this Jag.

I'm assuming the best oil filter is from the dealer, so likely get me a couple so I have them and not have to hunt for them in a panic.
 
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Old 05-07-2022, 03:27 AM
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You may hear the thunderous cry of 'Oh no, not another oil thread' from regular members.

We do have a few oil change fanatics who appear to use more oil than fuel but the general concensus is for a change at around 5K mile intervals rather than stretching to the handbook recommendation.

Premium brand oil is a given but divergence of opinion on synthetic, especially with an old engine that has previously always run with dyno oil. Concerns are mainly around the risk of causing seals to leak. I always use synthetic and have never had any issues but appreciate others have had.

OE filter from the dealer is definitely to the correct specification but equivalents are available. The important consideration with the filter is OE has a non-return valve (simply a plastic flap that prevents oil draining out of the filter) to assist rapid build up of oil pressure on starting. If you choose an alternative, make sure it doesn't just fit but also has this feature. Aftermarket Jaguar parts specialists usually offer both OE and compliant equivalent at a cost saving.

As you are looking to long term ownership, give some thought to a transmission fluid and filter change. This is not in the service schedules but has been shown to usefully extend the life of the unit. Plenty of information in the Model forum.

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Old 05-07-2022, 07:16 AM
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That's kinda how I have always felt about oil change intervals, even with synthetic. It just had it's motor replaced with a used motor that has 18,000 miles on it, so pretty sure synthetic won't cause any leaks, and he claims he filled it with Mobil one, prefer Amsoil or Royal Purple.... but it's good enough until it's first oil change between 4500-5500 miles. I will ask the guy who did the motor if he can do the transmission fluid and filter change since I do not see a dipstick for the transmission, and I think the manual say it is sealed. Hopefully won't have to go to the Jaguar dealer to do that. I am sure it will be double the price of an independent shop, if an independent shop can do it. Had it back since Friday evening, and already put almost 80 miles on it, plan on giving it a needed bath and maybe clean inside this weekend good, with a nice coat of wax as well. get the nasty hand print off the hood. Never thought I would actually be happy with the performance of a V6, but it is almost a perfect combination of performance and fuel mileage now that premium fuel in the chicago area is close to $6.00 a gallon thanks to our lovely idiot in president's office....
 
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2000 S-Type boy, when it comes to oil change intervals, yes, lots of argument about what is too short, too long, the exact right time? Honestly, there is no magical time to change the oil. If you want informed information about oil and when it should be changed, do some ready at a website called "Bob is the oil guy" (A Review of Mineral and Synthetic Base Oils - Bob is the Oil Guy). This guy has spent more money himself to prove so many things about oil, I don't think you can find a better unbiased source of information. He does the same with oil filters.

Ther are kits out there that would allow you to run the same oil in your car for 30K+ miles, easily. Notice I said kits, so, this is not just drop in some oil and you are good. These kits have 2 oil filters and one is a micron filter. So, 99% of your oil goes through the normal filter and the 1% goes through this micron filter. The idea being that smaller particles can simply float through the various parts of the engine and not cause any wear vice the larger particles that start scraping the bearings and whatnot, causing wear. Again, Bob talks about this in extreme detail. I mention this only to understand why you need to change oil at certain intervals and some cars can get away with 15K mile changes and others you can better be changing the oil every 3K miles.

I will leave you with my thought about change time and you can take that info and do with it as you see fit. Oil is fairly cheap when compared to a new engine. So, changing oil more often is going to help keep the wear products out of the engine. So, changing oil more often than is recommended is good insurance if you ask me. Besides, a lot of jaguar engines require some special oil (because of VVT or the tight engine tolerances) and if you are not running that oil, you shouldn't be going as long as jaguar recommends in the first place. Kinda like as an engine gets older, the oil change intervals should shorten up slightly to account for more wear products. So, in your case, the every 5K mile change rate is probably fairly conservative, but will help ensure you have an engine that can make it out to 300K miles.
 
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Old 05-07-2022, 09:37 AM
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That was always my thought about oil and filters. Even synthetic oil is cheaper than doing a motor. I will probably stick to the 4500-5500 interval I have used on all my other vehicles. it just seems better, and should help keep the engine in good shape. Might have to call the shop that did motor, I think the coolant bottle might be leaking a little, or maybe they spilled some and it hasnt come out yet, because saw the spot on the street this morning, and just checked bottle... and it is still full, but that may be what happened to the first motor, person I got the car from let it run out of coolant. course it isnt leaking much if its still full after 100 miles, kinda why I'm thinking it may be trapped spillage. Gonna give the web site you recommended a look. Sounds interesting.

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Originally Posted by 2000 s-type boy
...... I will ask the guy who did the motor if he can do the transmission fluid and filter change since I do not see a dipstick for the transmission, and I think the manual say it is sealed. Hopefully won't have to go to the Jaguar dealer to do that. I am sure it will be double the price of an independent shop, if an independent shop can do it. ..... now that premium fuel in the chicago area is close to $6.00 a gallon .....
The transmission was described as 'sealed for life' when your vehicle was built but even transmission manufacturer's and Jaguar opinions have changed since then. Plenty of posts about transmission fluid changes in the model forum. It's a DiY or Independent task - dealer not required.

We buy fuel in litres in England. Converting the rate I paid last weekend to US gallons makes it equivalent to $8.37 per US gallon and no sign of it coming down any time soon.

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Old 05-07-2022, 10:09 AM
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Clearly our governments need to stop with the nonsense and fix the fuel prices. likely in the us the idiot we have for a president likely think high fuel prices will stop people from going out as a form of control over people demanding covid restrictions ended.
 
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Isn’t it funny how many are all about the “free market”…. until it burns them.
 
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Old 05-08-2022, 07:44 AM
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Free market? Umm Fuel should not be the price it is now anywhere. When the United States had Trump as president, premium was maybe $3.50-4.00 a gallon. As soon as this Idiot we have now got in office it took a few short months for it to almost be $6.00 a gallon. Cannot wait until 2024 when either Trump gets reelected or Ron DeSantis of Flordia. Then maybe fuel and other things will be normal price, as well as no basically forced vaccinations for ANYTHING, and no basically forced health care at the price of fuel and other important things.
 
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You don't think maybe the Russian invasion changed things so the price went up....
 
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At one time, and in my memory too, oil changes were every 1500 miles, then it got to 3000 miles, and when I had a 1980 XJ6 Series 3, I think the recommendation was 7500 miles. My 2003 aluminium XJ6 was 10000 miles, and now things really have got out of hand with my XE with a 21000 mile interval. Of course all the previous mileages always had the or "every 12 months", but with the XE it's "or every 2 years". For me this is just barmy, so I keep to a yearly oil and filter change for peace of mind. Frankly, with modern oils, I'm not sure if shorter intervals are really necessary, but if it keeps one's mind at rest, do it. As said by me and others, oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
 
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That is true, oil and filter changes are very cheap compared to engine replacements. I have always used synthetic oil in all of my vehicles, and even running synthetic oil always have changed it between 4500 and 5500 miles. Even if I take it to the shop, in the Chicago area a synthetic oil and filter change is between $70 to 100 depending on how much it holds, so roughly tops of $300-400 a year to keep the engine in good shape is very worth it, especially with the crazy weather changes we get here. last week was between 40 to 50 and mostly rain..... this week today will be the coolest at 80 and sunny, expecting the first 90's tuesday thru friday with plenty of sun.
 
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You don't think maybe the Russian invasion changed things so the price went up....
It surely didn't help things, that's for sure. However with the president the United States has now, being more concerned about getting everyone vaccinated against an alleged serious virus, spending billions on testing and vaccination, and then sending billions to Ukraine, how about doing something for the American people, like providing monthly pandemic payments of $2,000 a month, to every American citizen since the government is who caused people to be unemployed for 2 years unless they wanted to work from home, prices to increase, and stop spending billions on virus testing and vaccination, and most of all stop sending billions to foreign countries every time they have an issue. the United States needs to stop taking care of everyone else and put the AMERICAN citizens first, with no restrictions or mandates over something which is nothing worse than the flu for 98% of people, which is exactally what Trump wanted to do.
 
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TIME TO GET BACK ON TOPIC - OIL CHANGE INTERVAL

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