1960 MK2 not a restoration, not a rusto rod, just a Bonus Trap
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Glyn are we going back to that gap between the front slam panel on my car and the radiator where as your radiator is tight up against the slam panel?
It looks like the Mk2 only had the one bonnet part number.
From the chassis numbers it appears they changed the bonnet part number some time late in 1966 so a 1963 to late 1966 S Type shared the same bonnet with the Mk2. Not sure what date Primaz's chassis number is so not sure if he shares a Mk2 or not now.
It looks like the Mk2 only had the one bonnet part number.
From the chassis numbers it appears they changed the bonnet part number some time late in 1966 so a 1963 to late 1966 S Type shared the same bonnet with the Mk2. Not sure what date Primaz's chassis number is so not sure if he shares a Mk2 or not now.
Cass & Glynn, do you know if they make new hoods for the 3.8 S Jaguars? I was assuming it was just used as it took me a while to find a good condition used hood for my car as I was the opposite of Clyde; I sold my louvered hood as I wanted the body to look completely stock so it would be more of a sleeper.
Last edited by primaz; 12-21-2021 at 09:28 PM.
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Primaz,
"Disruption"" would have been a good name for the car, but it already has one.
The intake is part of the package - 706HP. It stays along with the hole in the hood. Stacked bonnets are lower than you think.
It's going to be loud through the FlowMaster Super 44's. They stay.
Thanks for the comments and viewing the post.
"Disruption"" would have been a good name for the car, but it already has one.
The intake is part of the package - 706HP. It stays along with the hole in the hood. Stacked bonnets are lower than you think.
It's going to be loud through the FlowMaster Super 44's. They stay.
Thanks for the comments and viewing the post.
Look for my update in January to my 3.8s Sleeper as I opted to preemptively rebuild it since it was over 200,000 miles and I wanted a bit more power for my daily driver; the LS1 just got back from L & R Engine Builders and I hope to have about 500HP
#323
Glyn are we going back to that gap between the front slam panel on my car and the radiator where as your radiator is tight up against the slam panel?
It looks like the Mk2 only had the one bonnet part number.
From the chassis numbers it appears they changed the bonnet part number some time late in 1966 so a 1963 to late 1966 S Type shared the same bonnet with the Mk2. Not sure what date Primaz's chassis number is so not sure if he shares a Mk2 or not now.
It looks like the Mk2 only had the one bonnet part number.
From the chassis numbers it appears they changed the bonnet part number some time late in 1966 so a 1963 to late 1966 S Type shared the same bonnet with the Mk2. Not sure what date Primaz's chassis number is so not sure if he shares a Mk2 or not now.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 12-22-2021 at 04:16 AM.
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Cass & Glynn, do you know if they make new hoods for the 3.8 S Jaguars? I was assuming it was just used as it took me a while to find a good condition used hood for my car as I was the opposite of Clyde; I sold my louvered hood as I wanted the body to look completely stock so it would be more of a sleeper.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 12-22-2021 at 05:24 AM.
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#326
Nigel on the register can tell you. He has been down this road. They don't fit one another. Might be standardisation with 420.
See thread ~ excuse name.
Clutch fluid bottle lid - THE INTERNATIONAL JAGUAR 'S'-TYPE REGISTER FORUM
See thread ~ excuse name.
Clutch fluid bottle lid - THE INTERNATIONAL JAGUAR 'S'-TYPE REGISTER FORUM
#327
Yes, but why standardise with the 420? Was there a possibility of dropping the MK2? It seems unlikely. After all, XJ6 (XJ4) was in the pipeline and the MK2 body (as 240 and 340) outlived both those cars. Did Heynes have something else in mind for the whole family? A larger engine that would have later required a larger radiator or the radiator moved forward or, more likely, access space for an a/c condenser?
Anyway another interesting mystery and thank you for the link to the S register. It's a great forum.
Anyway another interesting mystery and thank you for the link to the S register. It's a great forum.
#328
Dropping the Mk2 was frequently discussed & would have happened had other models sold better. The range was far too complex but the Mk2 allowed niche pricing to help hold it up until XJ6. Once the IRS models were launched the Mk2 lost much of it's shine.
Mk 2 sales dropped precipitously in '62 (halved ~ never to recover but rather to continue its downward trend), S Type & Mk10 sales were not as robust as hoped. It quickly became clear that the 420 was exactly what the market wanted. Although its short lifespan of just two seasons in production meant that the overall build total was not very great, it sold faster than any of the S-types had done. Sales of the 3.4-litre S-type averaged around 2,000 a year over five years, and those of the 3.8-litre model ran at about 3,000 a year for the same period; but sales of the Jaguar 420 averaged 5,000 a year over its two-year life. On top of that, its Daimler Sovereign sibling averaged another 2,000 a year. Greater 420G luxury & power in a more compact package.
Excerpts from James Taylor. This was propping up the range until XJ6. Jag did not want this complexity in the range. They simply had no option.
Mk 2 sales dropped precipitously in '62 (halved ~ never to recover but rather to continue its downward trend), S Type & Mk10 sales were not as robust as hoped. It quickly became clear that the 420 was exactly what the market wanted. Although its short lifespan of just two seasons in production meant that the overall build total was not very great, it sold faster than any of the S-types had done. Sales of the 3.4-litre S-type averaged around 2,000 a year over five years, and those of the 3.8-litre model ran at about 3,000 a year for the same period; but sales of the Jaguar 420 averaged 5,000 a year over its two-year life. On top of that, its Daimler Sovereign sibling averaged another 2,000 a year. Greater 420G luxury & power in a more compact package.
Excerpts from James Taylor. This was propping up the range until XJ6. Jag did not want this complexity in the range. They simply had no option.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 12-22-2021 at 06:08 PM.
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Peter3442 (12-22-2021)
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If I was to take a guess, by combining sources of record, I would say it happened late '66 into 1967 (certainly second half of 66 at the earliest). From a few cars I know. But the truth is I don't know & can't find reference to dates in any of my S Type literature. Jaguar never commented on it. We have big time of manufacture gaps on the register and scribes seem to find crocodile bonnets of little interest.
If you quoted second half of '66 you can't be far wrong.
Mine was the 4th car built in '66 and has the 5100 original bonnet as do both my donors that are newer. (Yes these were CKD cars & lagged Browns Lane by a little but not much until run out)
We have never been able to reconcile the early registration but it may have been a Johannesburg demo. Strange things were possible in SA in those days. All records show it was registered before it was built. A reregistration could have caused this fowl up but it's supposed to be a one owner doctor's car. This is recorded.
If you quoted second half of '66 you can't be far wrong.
Mine was the 4th car built in '66 and has the 5100 original bonnet as do both my donors that are newer. (Yes these were CKD cars & lagged Browns Lane by a little but not much until run out)
We have never been able to reconcile the early registration but it may have been a Johannesburg demo. Strange things were possible in SA in those days. All records show it was registered before it was built. A reregistration could have caused this fowl up but it's supposed to be a one owner doctor's car. This is recorded.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 12-23-2021 at 05:46 PM.
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As Glyn says there are gaps in the actual dates of manufacture on the S Type register but the chassis numbers quoted do fall towards the end of 1966. The Mk2 was beginning to be phased out at this time and by September 1967 the 240 and 340 were being made and it might be that the bonnet swap had something to do with the 240 and 340 change over. My S Type is September 1967 built so has the later bonnet but Jaguar kept terrible records around 1966 as they had just changed ownership to BMC. On the S Type forum we have always commented on the changes of cars built around 1966. There were a lot of strikes at Jaguar at this time and it was almost like they fitted anything they could get their hands on just to keep production line going.
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Glyn M Ruck (12-24-2021)
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The DB 4 had a more pronounced bulge in early models that you can see in my earlier pics and last pic here. DB5 & 6 were the same.
Remember Astons were hand made motor cars and buyer preferences were accommodated.
Hot air side vents. Vantage = cams, tripple side draught Webbers, higher compression etc.
Inside bonnet/hood standard car.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 12-24-2021 at 11:45 AM.
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Glyn M Ruck (12-24-2021)
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The Jury is still out as to which is better. Many overheated & they were generally not liked.
The Aston scoop certainly worked. The question is could it have been improved. ~ Yes most likely with modern gear. In fact definitely with modern aero gear. It became part of the mid 60's Aston character. DB 4, 5 & 6 required no extra clearance. Side draught SU's or Webbers. I rather liked the open Aston scoop.
V8 Vantage with open scoop:
V8 vantage closed scoop. Not to my taste.
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lickahotskillet (03-03-2022)
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