MKI / MKII S type 240 340 & Daimler 1955 - 1967

MKII Fog Light Assembly

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 07-05-2021, 06:22 AM
RMerkley's Avatar
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Orillia, Ontario
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default MKII Fog Light Assembly

Any tips in disassembling the Fog Light Assembly? I take it that it is not a nut on the end of a threaded rod but is all one unit. It appears that the bolt is flanged on the inner side so not sure best way to get it apart.

Ray



 
  #2  
Old 07-05-2021, 06:50 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,332
Received 1,434 Likes on 1,110 Posts
Default

The entire Fogranger assembly as attached via body bucket centre hole by threaded shaft & nuts.






To change blown lamp.









That's as apart as they get without butchering, drilling rivets etc,.
 

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 07-05-2021 at 06:42 PM.
  #3  
Old 10-26-2021, 12:13 AM
RMerkley's Avatar
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Orillia, Ontario
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

I have now taken the fog light assembly apart. Does anyone know where I can get replacement rubber seals? I can’t find them on any of the usual parts suppliers websites.

Ray



 
  #4  
Old 10-26-2021, 09:21 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,332
Received 1,434 Likes on 1,110 Posts
Default

Unless you are lucky enough to find NOS you are going to have to go to a rubber manufacturer's shop and find a suitable flat washer replacement. They make so many different sizes you will find something to do the job. Similarly the outer rubber. Find an extrusion the right shape. Cut to length to achieve the right size circle. Butt the ends together. Cyanoacrylate (super glue) the two ends together. Some places will even extrude exactly what you want. I had a place extrude silicone rubber tube seals for my gauge rebuild (glass anti rattle). Where there is a will there is a way.

Also ~ someone is making them for new Fograngers. Try & trace the manufacturer or ask Barratts to tell you. They did a number of track & traces for me as long as I bought the parts from them which is only fair enough. I did spend big bucks with them. Lucas is just a brand today that gets licensed out.
 

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 10-26-2021 at 09:12 PM.
  #5  
Old 10-26-2021, 02:59 PM
Jose's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 8,630
Received 2,443 Likes on 1,838 Posts
Default

for the large seal, you can try Blower Fan Gaskets used in both automotive and residential air handler systems. They are usually in the 4.5" to 6" inch outside diameter range.

Also Speakers. whether car or home speakers, some speakers have rubber buffers or gaskets around their edges.

for the smaller seal, I have seen somewhat similar parts in hardware stores used for plumbing. as well as in automotive carburetter and vacuum systems. That seal is like a large grommet so you can search online for "large grommets". All you need is the exact measurements needed.

Hardware is hardware. Parts is parts.
​​​​
 
  #6  
Old 10-26-2021, 03:44 PM
Fraser Mitchell's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Crewe, England
Posts: 9,406
Received 2,450 Likes on 1,948 Posts
  #7  
Old 10-26-2021, 04:56 PM
Jose's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 8,630
Received 2,443 Likes on 1,838 Posts
Default

yes repros are now being made.

note that MK-2 Fog Rangers are 4.5" inch diameter and the ones for S type are 5.25" inch diameter.

I have seen S type fog lamps fitted to MK-2 and they look too big and outside the bucket.
 
  #8  
Old 10-26-2021, 07:47 PM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,332
Received 1,434 Likes on 1,110 Posts
Default

This is the correct protrusion of a Fogranger from the bucket. Remember it has a chrome trim behind it in the bucket. The S Type Lucas FT6 L-R is a larger & much deeper lamp. A Fogranger takes a bulb, hence the shield. The FT6 is a sealed beam

BTW ~ That larger seal looks like a tube seal where it's breaking up. If it is even easier to make up yourself from a piece of rubber tubing. Once cyanoacrylate has glued 2 pieces of rubber together you won't get them apart.






The S Type FT 6 is a deeper lamp that fits in a much deeper bucket with an eyebrow.














Fogranger:










FT6.

















 

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 10-26-2021 at 09:09 PM.
  #9  
Old 10-27-2021, 03:43 AM
Cass3958's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Torquay Devon England
Posts: 1,371
Received 1,098 Likes on 713 Posts
Default

In my opinion the Fog rangers on the Mk2 look awful compared to the S Types FT6. The Fog ranger sticks out and looks like an add on which was not really designed for the car but bought from a motor dealers and made to fit in the hole. Which in hind sight was probably what happened.
The S Type FT6 was a much better design incorporated into the front of the car, much neater and looks factory fitted.

I thought I would just throw this into the topic for a laugh. Someones do it yourself attempt to add extra lights to the front of a Mk2. I kid you not this is not a photoshop picture but the real thing. The ones on the outside are actually moulded into the wing! Sir William must be turning in his grave!



 
  #10  
Old 10-27-2021, 06:48 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,332
Received 1,434 Likes on 1,110 Posts
Default

LOL! People really know how to to mess up Lyons' beautiful lines. That car does not even have Fograngers fitted.

The standard Mk2 had dummy horn grills. The Fogranger was a popular selection from the dealer accessories list & finally fitted standard to some UK & Europe cars. The Mk2 bucket is very shallow.







 

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 10-27-2021 at 07:47 AM.
  #11  
Old 10-27-2021, 08:38 AM
Cass3958's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Torquay Devon England
Posts: 1,371
Received 1,098 Likes on 713 Posts
Default

If you look at the right side of the car you can see that he has even fitted a horn grill under the head light presumably as a cool air intake for the carbs. Hate to think what he has done to the back.lol.
I exchanged Emails with the current owner a couple of years ago. Apparently it was his Uncles car and was left to him when the old boy died. I think that is right. His Uncle was a body work man and did the extra lights himself all in metal.

 

Last edited by Cass3958; 10-27-2021 at 09:16 AM.
  #12  
Old 10-27-2021, 10:37 AM
Peter3442's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Oxford, UK
Posts: 1,858
Received 1,308 Likes on 982 Posts
Default

I suspect the Fograngers were part of an attempt at tidying the busy nose of the MK1. Aesthetically and practically, I prefer the dummy grilles. It's better not to say anything about the unfortunate blue car apart from admiring the skill in executing the modifications to the panel work.
 
  #13  
Old 10-27-2021, 10:55 AM
Peter3442's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Oxford, UK
Posts: 1,858
Received 1,308 Likes on 982 Posts
Default

Pre-240/340, I think the Fograngers were standard in the UK in that I don't remember ever seeing a car without them. Neither do I recall ever seeing them in use while a car was running on the road. Probably for the very good reason that they usually didn't work and, if they did, they pointed in any direction other than ahead. By the 1960s, most of the UK was subject to the Clean Air Act, making the classic pea-soup fogs relatively rare events. Dare I say that people, who lament city air these days and claim they choke every time a car passes, don't really know ... ?
 
  #14  
Old 10-27-2021, 11:48 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,332
Received 1,434 Likes on 1,110 Posts
Default

Rob ~ As I say the Mk2 foglight bucket was very shallow unlike our deep S Type ones.





Peter. The scribes just say that Fograngers were standard on some models for UK & Europe. So I'm pretty sure you are right unless some cheaper 2.4's lacked them. US cars had dummy horn grills from launch.

US Launch car with chrome replaced by gold. Yugh! It also has the white steering wheel that was offered for Export cars only.






 

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 10-27-2021 at 12:02 PM.
  #15  
Old 10-28-2021, 01:21 PM
Jose's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 8,630
Received 2,443 Likes on 1,838 Posts
Default

another possible remedy for a seal is the inner bucket to body seals from a XJ6 up to 1987. Or from any other car with small headlights for that matter.
The inner ( bonnet mounted ) lamps of the XJ-6 are 5.25" diameter and the bucket seals are slightly smaller.
 

Last edited by Jose; 10-29-2021 at 12:09 PM.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Montana Dan
XJ6 & XJ12 Series I, II & III
12
10-26-2021 03:27 PM
sidecar
XF and XFR ( X250 )
6
03-24-2016 02:01 PM
tommyd
XK / XKR ( X150 )
1
05-15-2012 06:57 PM
trevoroq1
S-Type / S type R Supercharged V8 ( X200 )
2
09-10-2010 03:27 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: MKII Fog Light Assembly



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:15 PM.