MKI / MKII S type 240 340 & Daimler 1955 - 1967

Power-Loc limited slip differential oil - Best modern oil to use?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 08-19-2023, 07:25 AM
jjsandsms's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Sarasota
Posts: 177
Received 43 Likes on 33 Posts
Default Power-Loc limited slip differential oil - Best modern oil to use?

Are soon to replace our MK2 4.55 rear axle with a 3.77 Power-Loc. I have been searching for the proper oil to use.

Searches reveal that a 80W90 GL-5 "mineral oil" should be used. Mineral I presume means real dino oil and not synthetic.

Others say the oil must be designated for use in an LSD unit.

Others also say regular can be used but needs an additive.

So I am confused and the shop manual does not say anything about special oil for the Power-Loc that I found.

So what is a proper modern oil to use? I am looking at

Castrol Axle Limited Slip Gear Oil 80W90

Thanks
jjsandsms




 
  #2  
Old 08-19-2023, 10:05 AM
Doug's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,860
Received 10,916 Likes on 7,172 Posts
Default

As with engine oil, opinions will vary.

I use off-the-shelf, any name brand, 80/90 gear lube with an additive.

For a long time GM's 1052358 additive was considered one of the best but it has been reformulated over the years. I'm not sure how it compares to other offerings these days. In recent years I've used whatever LSD additive the local parts store has on the shelf and have never had any problems.

Some gear lubes are pre-formulated for LSDs and will say so right on the containers.

Let's hear what others have to say

Cheers
DD
 
The following users liked this post:
David Lagonda (08-22-2023)
  #3  
Old 08-19-2023, 12:49 PM
Peter3442's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Oxford, UK
Posts: 1,892
Received 1,339 Likes on 1,005 Posts
Default

In my Daimler, which has the same Thornton Powr-Lok, I use any modern fluid of the appropriate grade from a respectable oil company that has LSD on the label. The one from Castrol comes in DIY size bottles. For road use, it's better for the LSD to either lock smoothly or not work at all.
 
The following users liked this post:
Glyn M Ruck (08-21-2023)
  #4  
Old 08-19-2023, 07:03 PM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

As an oil man I use Castrol Syntrax Ltd Slip SAE 75W-140 in my S Type. Runs dead quite & cool. Differential had 90,000 miles on it. Fully rebuilt with meticulous attention to pinion bearing preload & CW & pinion mesh. Original crownwheel, pinion & spider gears.
 
The following users liked this post:
David Lagonda (08-22-2023)
  #5  
Old 08-20-2023, 03:33 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

Decided to go this route after an extensive test program with Nissan 4X4's with LSD's & diff lock in the deserts of the UAE/Dubai.
 
  #6  
Old 08-20-2023, 04:29 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

BTW ~ the Powr-Lok LSD selected for Mk2, S Types, 420s etc. used friction material that did not call for friction modifiers i.e. Limited Slip Oil. However I believe, as Peter alludes to above, that friction modifiers (i.e. LSD oils) provide worthwhile benefits.
 
  #7  
Old 08-20-2023, 09:26 AM
jjsandsms's Avatar
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2023
Location: Sarasota
Posts: 177
Received 43 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

Thanks to all, will keep forum posted as we put the 3.77 together and swap out the 4.55.

BTW anyone interested in a 4HA 4.55 open diff complete axle assembly less brakes after I remove it. 80K+ miles on it.

jjsandsms
 
  #8  
Old 08-20-2023, 11:14 AM
Jagboi64's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 4,854
Received 3,169 Likes on 2,094 Posts
Default

Glyn, Why as heavy as 140? What was the reason to go away from the usual 80W-90?
 
  #9  
Old 08-20-2023, 05:35 PM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

After desert testing it works so well & slightly thicker oil film without overheating. Nothing wrong with 80W - 90.

Remember this is a 75W - 140. Synthetic.

140 is not much heavier than a 90.



Note an official SAE 60 has been added to Engine Oils ~ This majority to accommodate a particularly hot running Porsche engine. There are now officially SAE 0W's available for flow reasons. ~ keeping up with official changes is a challenge.

Note Esso (now ExxonMobil) recommends 90 or 140 on the Jaguar plate for this differential.


 

Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 08-20-2023 at 06:01 PM.
  #10  
Old 08-20-2023, 09:07 PM
Jagboi64's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
Posts: 4,854
Received 3,169 Likes on 2,094 Posts
Default

So you really only need the 140 for hot climates? That's not applicable to me.

I've used 0W-30 engine oil for a long time, it does make a difference in the winter if I can't plug the car in.
 
  #11  
Old 08-21-2023, 01:56 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Jagboi64
So you really only need the 140 for hot climates? That's not applicable to me.

I've used 0W-30 engine oil for a long time, it does make a difference in the winter if I can't plug the car in.
Yes ~ not applicable to you JB with your temperature range. 0W-30 engine oil makes a lot of sense in your winters.
 
  #12  
Old 08-21-2023, 02:06 AM
Peter3442's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Oxford, UK
Posts: 1,892
Received 1,339 Likes on 1,005 Posts
Default

You should think of the 75/140 as a little less viscous when cold and a little more viscous when hot. The lower viscosity at low temperatures is a desirable quality in a cold climate. And even in cold weather, the diff can suffer from heat from the inboard brakes especially if you do a lot of mountain work.
 
The following users liked this post:
Glyn M Ruck (08-23-2023)
  #13  
Old 08-21-2023, 02:54 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

Indeed Peter. Another sensible perspective.
 
  #14  
Old 11-29-2023, 09:21 PM
sanfranciscotolondon's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2023
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Default

Yeah as other members noted, don't think you have to get too fancy here. Anything that meets the specs will do. That's what I did on my XKR.
 
  #15  
Old 11-30-2023, 12:00 AM
Glyn M Ruck's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Llandudno, Cape Town, South Africa
Posts: 5,461
Received 1,463 Likes on 1,135 Posts
Default

It's not a fussy unit & as a Tribologist I stick to my comments. The specs are outdated in the modern world of lubrication.
 
The following users liked this post:
Bill Mac (12-01-2023)
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Ness925
XF and XFR ( X250 )
41
03-29-2023 12:14 PM
Ubad2
F-Type ( X152 )
26
02-13-2021 02:12 AM
Barry_Tucker
XK8 / XKR ( X100 )
25
02-27-2018 07:52 AM
Adam Lueb
X-Type ( X400 )
40
05-08-2012 09:11 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: Power-Loc limited slip differential oil - Best modern oil to use?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:57 AM.