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Old 09-23-2024 | 09:53 PM
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No 48. oil pipe
 
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Old 09-24-2024 | 12:50 AM
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Yes, its 48. You have got that right. I have seen these damaged and cracked
Take particular note of the washers marked 50. Should be copper.
By the way old copper washers will harden up. Can be re-used by annealing which softens them up. Heat up to red hot and drop into cold water
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 11:12 AM
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Default Leak found


Found the leak, just as Bill Mac indicated

The assembly , replacement cost $CA 180.00 from Moss

Repairable I assume.....



58 years does a hole make in metal!! Any repair suggestions?
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 12:48 PM
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I was thinking about using some type of epoxy




Do you think it can be patched with metal epoxy? Melt some wax into hole and let it harden. Then apply the epoxy over the metal and the wax. Once all is hardened. Warm the metal and use air pressure to clear out the wax.
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 01:27 PM
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I'm the first to (attempt) repair rather than replace. Now, thinking aloud. Epoxy might work well, but I'd constantly worry about it, especially as a loss of oil supply to the head is potentially serious. If I were attempting a repair, my first thought is to braze or solder a sleeve around each of the damaged sections. First make a pattern to maintain the general shape and positions of the connections.
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 02:46 PM
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180.00$ Canadian from Moss seems OK.
Seems a little putzy using epoxy on such a critical area, even silver solder, brazing, or just solder may have difficulty adhering because there will always be oil leaching out of the pores to get a clean bond.
Could also be thin in in other areas causing more problems down the road, or it may give way to a catastrophic failure in other areas that you can't see.
There's pitting all over the line...
 

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Old 09-29-2024 | 04:44 PM
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i'm usually pretty cavalier when it comes to caution and cars, but in this case i wouldn't hesitate to buy a new one.
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 04:57 PM
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There is a second hand one in good condition on Ebay for £35.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/135187413...Bk9SR4zAoPzHZA
And another for £30
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/176581069...Bk9SR47AoPzHZA

But I think I would still go for a new one as it is a crucial part of your lubrication system.
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 07:42 PM
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Happy to see you finally found the oil leak which I suggested could be in the camshaft feed pipes
That oil pipe is rusty and visible rust is a bit like an iceberg. You are only seeing 10% and the other 90% is out of sight.
So, it is just not worthwhile to attempt to repair it.
If funds are tight then go for a good second-hand pipe but I believe a new one would be best.
If possible, go for new copper washers to fit whatever pipes you get.
 
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Old 09-29-2024 | 08:36 PM
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Hello to everyone,
Short term I will try to repair it just so I can keep working on the engine to get it started and running.
And I can order a new one since it is a critical part.
It is too bad that the oil passage was not made interior to the engine.
Always interesting to hear the many good ideas.
Thanks
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Old 09-29-2024 | 08:41 PM
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Hey look at this, an even better priced new part made with braided stainless steel!!
 
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Old 09-30-2024 | 12:29 AM
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Looks good! I'd go for it.
 
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Old 09-30-2024 | 03:05 AM
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Looks like the uprated version sold by SNG, I'd definitely go for it.
 
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Old 09-30-2024 | 08:20 AM
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For those non-believers' external flexible oil lines like this have been used in aviation for many decades.
My current Piper PA 28 Cherokee runs similar flexible lines to/from the oil cooler
 
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Old 09-30-2024 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac
For those non-believers' external flexible oil lines like this have been used in aviation for many decades.
My current Piper PA 28 Cherokee runs similar flexible lines to/from the oil cooler
.... and similar lines for brake and fuel hoses.
 
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Old 10-04-2024 | 06:12 AM
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While waiting for my cam oil pipes to arrive, I am thinking about the starting problem with the engine.
As you mentioned to check the fuel supply.
I have been thinking of all the parts that need inspection, from fuel tanks (filters inside), the fuel pumps, the carbs themselves as I may have made mistakes during the rebuild, and the starting tubes that could be somewhat blocked.....
How do I know what pressure and flow to get from the fuel pumps? The fuel filter bowl appears to be filled.
So I can check the fuel pumps to see if the pump parts are clean, etc. But replacement parts are costly to rebuild.

I found these fuel pumps, however they are for 1974 Jag, would they fit on my 1966 I wonder?
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/353786567570...IaAgIkEALw_wcB

Thanks
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Old 10-04-2024 | 11:55 AM
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SU carbs require low pressure, about 2.5 psi. When the system is operating as it should they do not run continuously, the pump fills the float bowls and stops, as the fuel is used the pumps start up again, the pump rate is matched to engine demand.

As a broad general comment, I wouldn't use places like ebay or amazon for parts. I'd rather use a specialist like SNG Barratt. They have a branch in the USA, but I generally order everything from the UK, their main branch. It comes 2 day DHL to Canada and is reasonably economical if you do a larger order of parts - as I suspect you may need.
 

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Old 10-04-2024 | 01:45 PM
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Buy a new pipe. Those are Hardi pumps & excellent.




 
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Old 10-04-2024 | 01:48 PM
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They also make the right noise.
 
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Old 10-04-2024 | 01:56 PM
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Were used by Porsche prior to EFI.
 


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