2006 S-Type won't start
#1
11-17-2012, 10:53 AM
2006 S-Type won't start
Hello all, thanks in advance for yor help,
Vehicle: 2006 S-Type 4.2L VDP Edition
Vehicle History: Corporate owned 2006 - 2009, sold at auction, individual owned 2009 - 2011, sold at auction, used car lot owned, traded to my local used car lot, bought by me in July, 2011. The vehicle is in immaculate condition, so it's been well maintained over the years.
Issue at Hand: Last Sunday morning I tried to start my Jag and it cranked over and over but would not start. This the second time since I've owned the vehice this has happened. The first time it was shortly after I purchased the vehicle that occasionally it would be hard to start, I would have to crank it several times but it would eventually start, then one morning it would not start, I thought it was a starter issue because it didn't sound like the starter was engaging, so I spent a few days researching how to change the starter, I got my tools out, tried it one more time "Abra-cadabra", it started. That was about a year ago, it's been starting everyday since until Sunday morning. I hooked jumper cables to the battery from a running vehicle to confirm that a low battery was not causing the issue.
I'm going this morning to purchase a test light ( to test fuses / relays ) and a multimeter (to test voltage) to try and eliminate an electrical problem.
I understand this could also be a fuel problem ( I have checked Inertia Switch ), I don't think it's a fuel filter, if it was the filter I think it would have idled poorly and not responded quickly when I stepped on the gas, it was running beautifully the night before it wouldn't start. I will need some info on fuel pump and easiest way to check it after I check the fuses and relays.
Again thank you in advance,
SharpJag3
Vehicle: 2006 S-Type 4.2L VDP Edition
Vehicle History: Corporate owned 2006 - 2009, sold at auction, individual owned 2009 - 2011, sold at auction, used car lot owned, traded to my local used car lot, bought by me in July, 2011. The vehicle is in immaculate condition, so it's been well maintained over the years.
Issue at Hand: Last Sunday morning I tried to start my Jag and it cranked over and over but would not start. This the second time since I've owned the vehice this has happened. The first time it was shortly after I purchased the vehicle that occasionally it would be hard to start, I would have to crank it several times but it would eventually start, then one morning it would not start, I thought it was a starter issue because it didn't sound like the starter was engaging, so I spent a few days researching how to change the starter, I got my tools out, tried it one more time "Abra-cadabra", it started. That was about a year ago, it's been starting everyday since until Sunday morning. I hooked jumper cables to the battery from a running vehicle to confirm that a low battery was not causing the issue.
I'm going this morning to purchase a test light ( to test fuses / relays ) and a multimeter (to test voltage) to try and eliminate an electrical problem.
I understand this could also be a fuel problem ( I have checked Inertia Switch ), I don't think it's a fuel filter, if it was the filter I think it would have idled poorly and not responded quickly when I stepped on the gas, it was running beautifully the night before it wouldn't start. I will need some info on fuel pump and easiest way to check it after I check the fuses and relays.
Again thank you in advance,
SharpJag3
#2
11-17-2012, 11:48 AM
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#3
11-17-2012, 01:03 PM
Well as usual The Scarlet Harlot has done it again, she decided to start this morning, I hooked up jumper cables to the battery and after about 6 tries she fired up. I'm at a complete loss on how to move forward. I got a multimeter so I'm going to check the voltage on battery. I'm guessing since it started, it's probably not a blown fuse or relay. I'm kind of thinking fuel related, so help on where the fuel filter is and how easiest to check fuel pump are needed now.
To answer your question bfsgross, no I haven't been through a carwash and no water present in the trunk, although if she starts again today she will be going into the carwash, might have to get her ready to sell if I can't diagnose this issue, luckily both times she has failed to start have been in my driveway.
To answer your question bfsgross, no I haven't been through a carwash and no water present in the trunk, although if she starts again today she will be going into the carwash, might have to get her ready to sell if I can't diagnose this issue, luckily both times she has failed to start have been in my driveway.
#4
11-17-2012, 02:18 PM
Unfortunately diagnosis can be a real pain. certainly could be fuel related. but does she crank slow ? curious because you say you had to jump her. could also be a bad ground, or alternator, starter solenoid etc. fuel pumps generally die and thats that, but I have heard of them conking in and out. really a tough call. good luck
#5
11-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Worth a try...
I also have an 06 with 136,000 miles that I purchased new. About three
years ago, I started the car (cold) in the morning, let it run for a minute,
then turned it off when I realized I had left something in the house.
When I returned a few minutes later, the car would crank normally, but
wouldn't start. I would only crank the starter for a minute at a time so
as to not overheat the starter. After about five minutes of this I gave
up. I knew for a fact that the battery was in excellent shape; the starter
was cranking normally and rapidly.
Back into the house to call a tow truck; however, before I did, I decided
to call the Jag dealer where the car is serviced and talk with the service
rep that usually works with the car. He indicated that this
problem was not unfamiliar to them and had something to do with the
fuel injectors leaking slightly after the car is shut down. This has the dual
effect of flooding the engine, and, washing the oil coating off the cylinder
walls, thus reducing compression and resulting in an engine that is
impossible to start.
He suggested the following: crank the engine over with the gas pedal
held completely to the floor for about a minute. Stop. Wait a minute.
Then repeat with the pedal to the floor again. He suggested that it might
take three or four tries for this to work. Now, keep in mind that the
engine WILL NOT start under any circumstances with the pedal to the
floor; the ECU prevents this from happening. What you are doing is clearing the cylinders of excess fuel and building up compression with
circulating oil.
In summary, try this technique 2 or 3 times with the pedal to the floor.
DO NOT lift the pedal. After the 3rd or 4th one minute cranking, attempt
to start the car as you normally would by cranking and depressing the
pedal slightly. It took me a total of 5 tries. It then ran normally and
continued to do so for about a year when the same symptom returned.
I followed the above technique and it started after the third one minute
pedal to the floor cranking.
The representative was vague as to why this happens and indicated there
were no service bulletins to solve the problem. About 2.5 years ago, I
started adding Chevron's Techron additive to the tank once every 3 months.
The problem has never returned. It may be anecdotal that the Techron
solved the problem, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than eventually burning
out the starter.
Remember: The engine in your S WILL NOT start under any circumstance
with the pedal to the floor.
Best of luck.
years ago, I started the car (cold) in the morning, let it run for a minute,
then turned it off when I realized I had left something in the house.
When I returned a few minutes later, the car would crank normally, but
wouldn't start. I would only crank the starter for a minute at a time so
as to not overheat the starter. After about five minutes of this I gave
up. I knew for a fact that the battery was in excellent shape; the starter
was cranking normally and rapidly.
Back into the house to call a tow truck; however, before I did, I decided
to call the Jag dealer where the car is serviced and talk with the service
rep that usually works with the car. He indicated that this
problem was not unfamiliar to them and had something to do with the
fuel injectors leaking slightly after the car is shut down. This has the dual
effect of flooding the engine, and, washing the oil coating off the cylinder
walls, thus reducing compression and resulting in an engine that is
impossible to start.
He suggested the following: crank the engine over with the gas pedal
held completely to the floor for about a minute. Stop. Wait a minute.
Then repeat with the pedal to the floor again. He suggested that it might
take three or four tries for this to work. Now, keep in mind that the
engine WILL NOT start under any circumstances with the pedal to the
floor; the ECU prevents this from happening. What you are doing is clearing the cylinders of excess fuel and building up compression with
circulating oil.
In summary, try this technique 2 or 3 times with the pedal to the floor.
DO NOT lift the pedal. After the 3rd or 4th one minute cranking, attempt
to start the car as you normally would by cranking and depressing the
pedal slightly. It took me a total of 5 tries. It then ran normally and
continued to do so for about a year when the same symptom returned.
I followed the above technique and it started after the third one minute
pedal to the floor cranking.
The representative was vague as to why this happens and indicated there
were no service bulletins to solve the problem. About 2.5 years ago, I
started adding Chevron's Techron additive to the tank once every 3 months.
The problem has never returned. It may be anecdotal that the Techron
solved the problem, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than eventually burning
out the starter.
Remember: The engine in your S WILL NOT start under any circumstance
with the pedal to the floor.
Best of luck.
#6
11-17-2012, 02:52 PM
Unfortunately diagnosis can be a real pain. certainly could be fuel related. but does she crank slow ? curious because you say you had to jump her. could also be a bad ground, or alternator, starter solenoid etc. fuel pumps generally die and thats that, but I have heard of them conking in and out. really a tough call. good luck
The Voltage was 12.47V with key off, 14.27V with engine running so voltage is good and alternator is good. Right now she is starting so maybe I'll drive her until she acts up again but keep looking on here for ideas why she's so bitchy!!
#7
11-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Wrong about the time...
Sharpjag...
It's been many moons since I had this problem and my memory is slipping
a bit. I said crank for a minute with the pedal to the floor; now that my
memory has come back a bit, I think I was told to use (and used) 30
seconds cranking time. Try 30 seconds cranking between rests.
Cliff
It's been many moons since I had this problem and my memory is slipping
a bit. I said crank for a minute with the pedal to the floor; now that my
memory has come back a bit, I think I was told to use (and used) 30
seconds cranking time. Try 30 seconds cranking between rests.
Cliff
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#8
11-17-2012, 03:41 PM
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Sharpjag, before you do anything else, go to an auto parts store and buy a hygrometer. That tests each battery cell and it's highly possible one (or more cells) may be weak. If so, replace bettery, do not pass go, just replace...
Welcome to the joys of Jaaaags, you'll have it fixed in no time and go back to zipping up and down your street...
Welcome to the joys of Jaaaags, you'll have it fixed in no time and go back to zipping up and down your street...
#9
11-17-2012, 04:11 PM
I also have an 06 with 136,000 miles that I purchased new. About three
years ago, I started the car (cold) in the morning, let it run for a minute,
then turned it off when I realized I had left something in the house.
When I returned a few minutes later, the car would crank normally, but
wouldn't start. I would only crank the starter for a minute at a time so
as to not overheat the starter. After about five minutes of this I gave
up. I knew for a fact that the battery was in excellent shape; the starter
was cranking normally and rapidly.
Back into the house to call a tow truck; however, before I did, I decided
to call the Jag dealer where the car is serviced and talk with the service
rep that usually works with the car. He indicated that this
problem was not unfamiliar to them and had something to do with the
fuel injectors leaking slightly after the car is shut down. This has the dual
effect of flooding the engine, and, washing the oil coating off the cylinder
walls, thus reducing compression and resulting in an engine that is
impossible to start.
He suggested the following: crank the engine over with the gas pedal
held completely to the floor for about a minute. Stop. Wait a minute.
Then repeat with the pedal to the floor again. He suggested that it might
take three or four tries for this to work. Now, keep in mind that the
engine WILL NOT start under any circumstances with the pedal to the
floor; the ECU prevents this from happening. What you are doing is clearing the cylinders of excess fuel and building up compression with
circulating oil.
In summary, try this technique 2 or 3 times with the pedal to the floor.
DO NOT lift the pedal. After the 3rd or 4th one minute cranking, attempt
to start the car as you normally would by cranking and depressing the
pedal slightly. It took me a total of 5 tries. It then ran normally and
continued to do so for about a year when the same symptom returned.
I followed the above technique and it started after the third one minute
pedal to the floor cranking.
The representative was vague as to why this happens and indicated there
were no service bulletins to solve the problem. About 2.5 years ago, I
started adding Chevron's Techron additive to the tank once every 3 months.
The problem has never returned. It may be anecdotal that the Techron
solved the problem, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than eventually burning
out the starter.
Remember: The engine in your S WILL NOT start under any circumstance
with the pedal to the floor.
Best of luck.
years ago, I started the car (cold) in the morning, let it run for a minute,
then turned it off when I realized I had left something in the house.
When I returned a few minutes later, the car would crank normally, but
wouldn't start. I would only crank the starter for a minute at a time so
as to not overheat the starter. After about five minutes of this I gave
up. I knew for a fact that the battery was in excellent shape; the starter
was cranking normally and rapidly.
Back into the house to call a tow truck; however, before I did, I decided
to call the Jag dealer where the car is serviced and talk with the service
rep that usually works with the car. He indicated that this
problem was not unfamiliar to them and had something to do with the
fuel injectors leaking slightly after the car is shut down. This has the dual
effect of flooding the engine, and, washing the oil coating off the cylinder
walls, thus reducing compression and resulting in an engine that is
impossible to start.
He suggested the following: crank the engine over with the gas pedal
held completely to the floor for about a minute. Stop. Wait a minute.
Then repeat with the pedal to the floor again. He suggested that it might
take three or four tries for this to work. Now, keep in mind that the
engine WILL NOT start under any circumstances with the pedal to the
floor; the ECU prevents this from happening. What you are doing is clearing the cylinders of excess fuel and building up compression with
circulating oil.
In summary, try this technique 2 or 3 times with the pedal to the floor.
DO NOT lift the pedal. After the 3rd or 4th one minute cranking, attempt
to start the car as you normally would by cranking and depressing the
pedal slightly. It took me a total of 5 tries. It then ran normally and
continued to do so for about a year when the same symptom returned.
I followed the above technique and it started after the third one minute
pedal to the floor cranking.
The representative was vague as to why this happens and indicated there
were no service bulletins to solve the problem. About 2.5 years ago, I
started adding Chevron's Techron additive to the tank once every 3 months.
The problem has never returned. It may be anecdotal that the Techron
solved the problem, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than eventually burning
out the starter.
Remember: The engine in your S WILL NOT start under any circumstance
with the pedal to the floor.
Best of luck.
Thank you,
Jeff Sharp
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