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Everyone keeps bugging about my car details. First off I'm sorry if it doesn't show up. As you can see from my previous posts my signature does include my cars details. How ever it seems to simply vanish on occasion. I don't know why. The box is check to show my signature when I post and I went back to make sure it was still there and it is still under my statistics. I do on occasion post comments and threads from my phone so maybe that has something to do with it. Not sure what to say guys, it looks like a tech issue. I'm not perfect as much as I would like to think and I could be wrong.

 

LOL, don't buy into the marketing hype my friend,
$1,000 Stance coilovers are hardly something appropriate for a serious track car, its more for the 'how low can i go?' hard parking, blog-photo-shooting crowd,

Do you even know what 'inverted monotube design' means, or what makes it good? Or is it just a cool descriptor to throw out to try and sound legit?

What about the '15 way adjustable'? That's a pure marketing gimmick as well, the dampening is NOT adjustable in 15 ways, it's really just a fancy way of saying there are 15 clicks of a knob to adjust the two directions of dampening (rebound and compression), and you cannot adjust rebound and compression independent of one another, don't get me started on what changes these clicks really make,

Then there's the fact that the adjustable lower mount, the 'cup' that the body of the damper screws into, is not really a pro selling point.
The reason they use the adjustable lower cup mount, is because they are mass producing these are cheap as possible.
By having the adjustable lower mount, you can produce a generic style of damper body that suits a large variety of applications,
then to make it application specific, you just throw on the suitable lower mount to adapt it to the car,
This in effect makes the dampers 'length adjustable', but in some cases, to the detriment of total piston stroke, and subsequently, suspension travel,
When you mass produce a damper with this 'one size fits all' mentality, you basically compromise in other areas,
meanwhile, if you're building a true motorsports grade damper, you can start with a clean sheet, dialing in damper length, piston stroke, spring length, etc, to specifically suit the intended ride height and performance.
It's even worse when you consider every set of length adjustable coilovers like the Stance, has instructions that tell you to set 'pre-load to zero' and do all your ride height adjustment through length adjustment/lower cup mount, which is astonishingly wrong for proper suspension setup,

Bottom line is, the world of 'coilovers' stretches from the most basic china-made $250 units to $20,000 top tier motorsports grade, while on the surface they all appear to perform the same basic function, there is a lot to consider in between,

Not to discourage anyone from going the stance route, but lets not give anyone the false impression these are somehow 'high quality, high performance' units, half of what makes them popular is that they have a cool and relevant name to the market they're courting, and anodized all the right pretty colors,

 

Anyone know anything about these CATS Bilstein dampered coilovers marketed by English tuner Spires? Jaguar S-Type Sports Suspension Package from Spires Specialist Jaguar Tuning. For North Americans (like me) please note that the price includes 20% UK VAT, so the VAT-free price for export outside the EU is GBP 1,799.99. Multiply by the approximate 2-month average exchange rate of 1GBP:1.55USD, that's about $2,790 USD plus shipping. I'm not interested in the CATS coilovers, but rather the non-CATS sport suspension. If anyone has any experience or other input on Spires I'd be interested to hear it. Seems a bit pricey but suspension bits tuned to our S-types are not very common.

 

I was thinking of getting them but from what I understand they don't allow much adjustment of ride height. You get the same amount of drop from your stock strut with Mina Gallery springs as you would this set up. You can only go so low before the shock bottoms out.

All the way up on them is stock ride height and all the way down is only about 1.18". Mina Gallery springs are 1.2" drop for 1/4 the cost. The only pro that I see is that you can easily go back to stock height with out removing the coil. You also get a duel rate spring set up. That isn't worth the money to me.

 

The arden bilsteins only provide a 1.2" drop mainly because of intended performance and ride quality targets. Going lower would be counter productive for performance and unsuitable for majority of intended applications. With that said, it's not to say they can't go lower, they probably can a touch more, and if you swap out the springs for shorter ones, you can bring them down lower. Within limits of the valving and design of the damper itself of course, otherwise you compromise elsewhere,

If you want to slam your car out, why not just go air-ride? Air bags all around a tank and compressor and you have both the style you want, as well as a reasonable amount of function, all on demand.

 

It might sound stupid but bragging rights. The entire point of the Stance/Hellaflush style is how low can you go on static suspension with the most aggressive tire fitment on what looks like stock fenders. That is what wins at the shows.

 

Don't get me wrong. It would be nice, but who is going to have any sort of a bag set up for my car?

 

This is the only one Ive seen with bags

1999 Jaguar S Type V8 – Daily Driven – 145 « Performance Car

 

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Some of you S-type owners are going to love this. I have decided to bag the Jag....... (I can here all your a**holes tighten) LOL

I have found a bolt on air strut set up and will be buying it next week.

 

My condolences to your car....

 

congrats man, glad you were able to source an air bag setup for the car, it really is the proper way to go to achieve the stance and ride height youre looking for,
coil overs wound all the way down to the bump stops and riding around statically like that plain sucks, you made a wise choice,
judging by the pics you pm'd me , youre gonna have one of the baddest S on the forums!

 

Thanks. I plan on doing a full build write up once I have all the pics organized.

 

Awsome decision dude!

Could you point at where did you found them?

I`m already searching about 2 months for a good set of bolts for my 2006 3.0 S-Type. Still nothing

 

Airbagit.com makes a bolt on kit for the S-type with the CATS control arm set up.

 

I've been thinking about this for a long time since I'm concerned about loosing too much suspension compliance with a lowering spring or coil overs. I have an Audi allroad with oem air bags and I love the ability to adjust height any time the road conditions get nasty!

I'm pretty sure I called these guys about 5 years ago though...I asked them how the system would perform compared to stock non-CATS suspension and they told me "not as good". Honesty is commendable, but I was obviously disappointed and got the impression that these kits were more for parking lot posing.

I'm definitely watching and very interested to see what you decide to do and how you like it!!! I think it's the best option if you can get a quality product that's properly tuned!!!

 

Lots of great info, thanks guys. I'd like to ask something along these lines-I know that lowering any car on stock struts greatly shortens their life (designed for a specific length of travel for proper absorbtion), are their shorter length CATS struts available anywhere? Don't know unless you ask, right?? Any inquires would be greatly appreciated.

 

To add to this beautiful thread I’ve been looking for coilovers for my 2006 S Type R as it so happens, which is a face lifted model. After having a rather frustrating result trying to find some Bilstein’s for a reasonable price in a somewhat reasonable time period I’ve decided to go coilovers. I had some BC Racing Coilovers on my 2007 XJ8 that were absolutely splendid. Put over 50k miles “not kilometers” on my XJ in a year and I never had any problems.

If anyone has any results or experience I’d certainly like to see. Talked to a friend of mine in Dallas who has some D2 Coilovers on his S Type R and absolutely loves them.

KW Suspension seemingly has discounted the V3’s and I’ve had to email their racing division for some 1 off custom coilovers for specifically my car. Waiting to hear back as I’ve emailed them for the 2nd time in a week.

https://www.andysautosport.com/products/kw_suspension__35231002.html

link to old coilovers that no longer exist w discounted part number 35231002