Engineering Test Mode?
#21
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Bull27, mumbo-jumbo is EXACTLY what it is as far as a user is concerned. You hit a bullseye there.
In case anyone is wondering, hex, or hexadcimal numbers are used in computing rather than decimal because of the more efficient use of memory which is basically organized into 8-bit bytes or 16-bit words, the hex notation being based on 0 to 15dec. This is very nice, BUT unless you know what the numbers represent, it is of course meaningless. Something bog-standard like the ASCII code for text (I'm using it now this second) can be accommodated in 7 bits, to include a few simple graphics, with 1 bit left for parity checking.
I wonder if the car makers realize the damaging effect of this "disconnected attitude" they seem to have. By restricting information to a chosen few dealers ( and I'm not just criticising Jaguar for this, other makers are just as bad) the negative effect on the car's residual values, the negative effect on PR, must count as what we call in England an "OWN GOAL". Quite naturally, the far eastern makers leap on this hugely brainless state of mind and profit accordingly.
When I was service manager for Sony in 1970, I would often give parts away if they cost less than the cost of the invoice raised. ANYONE who wanted information got it, it cost us just a sheet of A4 or two and a little copier time. I would bend over backwards to help ANYONE who was kind enough to buy a Sony product; that's the way to keep a customer for life.
Leedsman.
In case anyone is wondering, hex, or hexadcimal numbers are used in computing rather than decimal because of the more efficient use of memory which is basically organized into 8-bit bytes or 16-bit words, the hex notation being based on 0 to 15dec. This is very nice, BUT unless you know what the numbers represent, it is of course meaningless. Something bog-standard like the ASCII code for text (I'm using it now this second) can be accommodated in 7 bits, to include a few simple graphics, with 1 bit left for parity checking.
I wonder if the car makers realize the damaging effect of this "disconnected attitude" they seem to have. By restricting information to a chosen few dealers ( and I'm not just criticising Jaguar for this, other makers are just as bad) the negative effect on the car's residual values, the negative effect on PR, must count as what we call in England an "OWN GOAL". Quite naturally, the far eastern makers leap on this hugely brainless state of mind and profit accordingly.
When I was service manager for Sony in 1970, I would often give parts away if they cost less than the cost of the invoice raised. ANYONE who wanted information got it, it cost us just a sheet of A4 or two and a little copier time. I would bend over backwards to help ANYONE who was kind enough to buy a Sony product; that's the way to keep a customer for life.
Leedsman.
Last edited by Leedsman; 04-26-2010 at 06:17 AM. Reason: grammar correction.
#22
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Bull27, mumbo-jumbo is EXACTLY what it is as far as a user is concerned. You hit a bullseye there.
In case anyone is wondering, hex, or hexadcimal numbers are used in computing rather than decimal because of the more efficient use of memory which is basically organized into 8-bit bytes or 16-bit words, the hex notation being based on 0 to 15dec. This is very nice, BUT unless you know what the numbers represent, it is of course meaningless. Something bog-standard like the ASCII code for text (I'm using it now this second) can be accommodated in 7 bits, to include a few simple graphics, with 1 bit left for parity checking.
I wonder if the car makers realize the damaging effect of this "disconnected attitude" they seem to have. By restricting information to a chosen few dealers ( and I'm not just criticising Jaguar for this, other makers are just as bad) the negative effect on the car's residual values, the negative effect on PR, must count as what we call in England an "OWN GOAL".
In case anyone is wondering, hex, or hexadcimal numbers are used in computing rather than decimal because of the more efficient use of memory which is basically organized into 8-bit bytes or 16-bit words, the hex notation being based on 0 to 15dec. This is very nice, BUT unless you know what the numbers represent, it is of course meaningless. Something bog-standard like the ASCII code for text (I'm using it now this second) can be accommodated in 7 bits, to include a few simple graphics, with 1 bit left for parity checking.
I wonder if the car makers realize the damaging effect of this "disconnected attitude" they seem to have. By restricting information to a chosen few dealers ( and I'm not just criticising Jaguar for this, other makers are just as bad) the negative effect on the car's residual values, the negative effect on PR, must count as what we call in England an "OWN GOAL".
And as for "restricting information to a chosen few dealers", under USA and EU law they cannot do that (and as far as I know, don't).
#23
#24
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Perth Ontario Canada
Posts: 11,058
Received 2,263 Likes
on
1,845 Posts
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
My speedo is 6% fast as compared to the ETM and a GPS. Still looking for a solution.
#25
#26
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Perth Ontario Canada
Posts: 11,058
Received 2,263 Likes
on
1,845 Posts
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
"ETM displayed speed figure will be
approx 3% higher than speed
indicated by speedometer.
Allowed tolerance – minus
nothing/+ 10% + 2.5 mile/h."
Is the '+10%' tolerance meant to be 10% of 3% (ie 3.3%) or is it 10% total error? Do you then add 2.5mph on top or is 2.5 mph the maximum allowed error?
The car was delivered new with 17" wheels and still had the OEM tires on it when I bought it. There's nothing on the service history to indicate a recalibration for different wheels.
I have a set of 16" OEM wheels with winter tires on them (OEM size). The speedo error factor is even larger due to the smaller overall diameter.
Had the previous owner recalibrated the speedo for the smaller wheels, it would now read slow and not fast with the 17" wheels.
#27
#28
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Perth Ontario Canada
Posts: 11,058
Received 2,263 Likes
on
1,845 Posts
#29
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Various people have referred to it and said the one thing a speedo (when manufactured) must not do is to under-read. Yours doesn't. I expect the full spec is online somewhere but if not try a supplier of legal textbooks or the like. Maybe an I/M station. google may find it. I can't think that 6% over would be too much, for where's the harm? Speedo says (for example) 50mph and actual is 6% less so about 47mph. Big deal. Or maybe it IS a big deal in Canada??? I don't know the laws there but I gotta say I doubt it.
#30
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Perth Ontario Canada
Posts: 11,058
Received 2,263 Likes
on
1,845 Posts
#31
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I was kind of interested in the oil pressure check so after consulting the documentation on the ETM where "L" is OK and "O" is low (silly Brits) I actually ran the check. The reading on my car is "H". Huh? What does "H" mean? It would be nice if the documentation had all the values the test actually is capable of displaying. Oh well, the gauge checks are fairly entertaining and I did get a digital tach, speedometer and a battery check out of the deal so I'm OK with it.
Mike
Mike
#32
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Mike,
My oil check shows the normal "L". My documentation doesn't show an "H" for that particular test, either. If I come up with something, I'll post it here....
My battery check shows a value of 11.9 which I perceive to be a bit on the low side so I'll keep an eye on it. It's the original factory battery, the car was built in May 2005, so it may be on its final lap. Is your battery original, and what does it read?
My oil check shows the normal "L". My documentation doesn't show an "H" for that particular test, either. If I come up with something, I'll post it here....
My battery check shows a value of 11.9 which I perceive to be a bit on the low side so I'll keep an eye on it. It's the original factory battery, the car was built in May 2005, so it may be on its final lap. Is your battery original, and what does it read?
#33
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Mike,
My oil check shows the normal "L". My documentation doesn't show an "H" for that particular test, either. If I come up with something, I'll post it here....
My battery check shows a value of 11.9 which I perceive to be a bit on the low side so I'll keep an eye on it. It's the original factory battery, the car was built in May 2005, so it may be on its final lap. Is your battery original, and what does it read?
My oil check shows the normal "L". My documentation doesn't show an "H" for that particular test, either. If I come up with something, I'll post it here....
My battery check shows a value of 11.9 which I perceive to be a bit on the low side so I'll keep an eye on it. It's the original factory battery, the car was built in May 2005, so it may be on its final lap. Is your battery original, and what does it read?
When I first start up the car the battery reads 15.0 for about two minutes then goes to 13.3 plus or minus .2. I have a Jaguar battery as well but it may be a replacement in that it looks almost brand new as well as both cables.
I noticed Thermo is scratching his head as well regarding his X-Type oil pressure values. He posted:
Code:
OIL G - oil pressure switch (G-bad, 0-good, I don't get it, but that is what it says and I am guessing on the meaning of G)
![Icon Teeth](https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_teeth.gif)
Mike
#34
#35
![Default](/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Why the diatribe about hex? I pointed out there are few hex numbers. And going on about ASCII and parity etc - WHY DID YOU DO THAT? What "disconnected attitude"? This is a feature ONLY aimed at their own techs which no customer would normally ever know existed let alone use.
And as for "restricting information to a chosen few dealers", under USA and EU law they cannot do that (and as far as I know, don't).
And as for "restricting information to a chosen few dealers", under USA and EU law they cannot do that (and as far as I know, don't).
To be even handed, Jaguar is not the only manufacturer with this disease.
Leedsman.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
scottatl
XK8 / XKR ( X100 )
2
09-04-2015 08:08 PM
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)