First Oil Change
#41
... therefore, out of ten single malt Scotch Whiskies that meet the
legal requirements for that appellation, there should be no discernible
difference. Indeed, moonshine would do as well since it is also a
grain based alcohol.
The single malt afficianodos posting to this thread will have an
aneurism, but it clearly follows their particular line of reasoning.
Personally, single malts give me a headache.
As for oil, I like the premise of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, I just cannot get it
in my preferred weights so I'm settling for 0W40 Castrol Euro on the upcoming
change. Wish is wasn't a 0W though.
No, I absolutely refuse to use 0W10 Regular Grade Ethanol no matter what anyone posts.
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legal requirements for that appellation, there should be no discernible
difference. Indeed, moonshine would do as well since it is also a
grain based alcohol.
The single malt afficianodos posting to this thread will have an
aneurism, but it clearly follows their particular line of reasoning.
Personally, single malts give me a headache.
As for oil, I like the premise of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, I just cannot get it
in my preferred weights so I'm settling for 0W40 Castrol Euro on the upcoming
change. Wish is wasn't a 0W though.
No, I absolutely refuse to use 0W10 Regular Grade Ethanol no matter what anyone posts.
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Last edited by Box; 04-13-2016 at 03:49 AM.
#42
Under penalty of law they have precisely the amount of Alcohol By Volume (ABV) stated on the label.
If a consumer is comparing bottle A at 40% ABV to bottle B at 40% ABV, they are therefore identical in amount of alcohol. It would be false then for a person to say that one is 'different' or 'better' than the other.
If a person needed a liquid that was 40% ABV and no other criteria mattered, then 40% ABV moonshine would do the job.
BTW- not all moonshine is grain based.
#43
Get a grip, Box, you must be mistaken! However, the description of the parson in Oliver Goldsmith's The Deserted Village comes to mind:
In arguing too, the parson owned his skill,
For 'een though vanquished, he could argue still.
In arguing too, the parson owned his skill,
For 'een though vanquished, he could argue still.
#44
I still invite anyone to take a mix of 10 conventional, semi and full synthetics, all the same weight, side by side and do a cold pour test, and then tell me which you would want in your Jaguar. (and not to worry, whether you are in North America, or the rest of the world, the atmosphere and gravity are still relatively the same)
Last edited by Box; 04-13-2016 at 04:51 AM.
#45
Now you're simply being argumentive.
Jaguar and Castrol Partnership - Co-engineering Quality Oil
Jaguar exclusively recommends Castrol EDGE Professional oil, (fully synthetic) engineered to perfectly complement our engines and optimise performance. Castrol EDGE Professional is stocked by Jaguar dealers.
Jaguar and Castrol Partnership - Co-engineering Quality Oil
Jaguar exclusively recommends Castrol EDGE Professional oil, (fully synthetic) engineered to perfectly complement our engines and optimise performance. Castrol EDGE Professional is stocked by Jaguar dealers.
Over here S-Types (there were a lot) fall off the road for things like collisions and rust. (Oh, and being a diesel with DPF.)
Use the oil you like. I'm using oil I like, due to it meeting jag's specs and being affordable. Everyone gets to choose
#46
That wasn't the context - you've made it up.
#47
Exactly. There's no mention of this spec being retroactive. The oil might be required for the latest generation of engines (and even that's still up for debate) but to think that there's some inherent benefit for previous generations of cars is a huge leap of fantasy.
To infer that a marketing alliance is now mandatory is the perfect example of baffling with bu**sh*t.
Pouring oil from bottles when cold as a meaningful measure analogous to engine life is the ultimate snake oil show.
To infer that a marketing alliance is now mandatory is the perfect example of baffling with bu**sh*t.
Pouring oil from bottles when cold as a meaningful measure analogous to engine life is the ultimate snake oil show.
#48
Exactly. There's no mention of this spec being retroactive. The oil might be required for the latest generation of engines (and even that's still up for debate) but to think that there's some inherent benefit for previous generations of cars is a huge leap of fantasy.
To infer that a marketing alliance is now mandatory is the perfect example of baffling with bu**sh*t.
Pouring oil from bottles when cold as a meaningful measure analogous to engine life is the ultimate snake oil show.
To infer that a marketing alliance is now mandatory is the perfect example of baffling with bu**sh*t.
Pouring oil from bottles when cold as a meaningful measure analogous to engine life is the ultimate snake oil show.
Sorry if that hurts, and I do hope you have a great day.
Last edited by Box; 04-13-2016 at 10:24 AM.
#49
#50
Look both ways before crossing the street... Just sayin' False assertions with no legitimate method to support your position is not good information to have on a global board. Please be mindful of this as well.
#51
No idea if they're still for sale 7 years on and frankly don't particularly care but they DID exist AND I USED THEM.
Now prove ME wrong.
hmm, I can do better. here's one I haven't used but for sale now http://www.halfords.com/motoring/eng...ic-ford-oil-5l
Last edited by JagV8; 04-13-2016 at 10:42 AM.
#52
While folks continue to **** in each others' coffee (as always with any discussion involving motor oil), the correct answer remains:
"Run any motor oil you wish that meets the required specs published in your owners manual...."
Now back to our regular programming....
"Run any motor oil you wish that meets the required specs published in your owners manual...."
Now back to our regular programming....
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#53
Great! The documentation can be found online. Go find the Product Data Sheet and let's review. Until that time, I will consider your post just what it is. Bovine scatology. And Halfords website claim is not supported by the actual Product Data Sheet. It is a clever way to sell oil that is a no-name brand from a box store. But hey, everything you read on someone's website is always true...right? Try going to Ford.
Last edited by Box; 04-13-2016 at 11:21 AM.
#54
Nobody said that. Here's what you said:
Which prompted:
Neither one test result nor the other inherently correlates to engine life, contrary to your multiple assertions.
If the 'worst' oil in your test allows a long and happy engine life, as apparently is the case given that the oldest S-types are now in their late teens, then insisting that an oil that 'scored better' is of benefit makes no sense.
Such is the case also with promoting synthetics and semi synthetics over regular oil.
If the 'worst' oil in your test allows a long and happy engine life, as apparently is the case given that the oldest S-types are now in their late teens, then insisting that an oil that 'scored better' is of benefit makes no sense.
Such is the case also with promoting synthetics and semi synthetics over regular oil.
#55
Nobody said that. Here's what you said:
Which prompted:
Neither one test result nor the other inherently correlates to engine life, contrary to your multiple assertions.
If the 'worst' oil in your test allows a long and happy engine life, as apparently is the case given that the oldest S-types are now in their late teens, then insisting that an oil that 'scored better' is of benefit makes no sense.
Such is the case also with promoting synthetics and semi synthetics over regular oil.
Which prompted:
Neither one test result nor the other inherently correlates to engine life, contrary to your multiple assertions.
If the 'worst' oil in your test allows a long and happy engine life, as apparently is the case given that the oldest S-types are now in their late teens, then insisting that an oil that 'scored better' is of benefit makes no sense.
Such is the case also with promoting synthetics and semi synthetics over regular oil.
Last edited by Box; 04-13-2016 at 11:37 AM.
#56
Great! The documentation can be found online. Go find the Product Data Sheet and let's review. Until that time, I will consider your post just what it is. Bovine scatology. And Halfords website claim is not supported by the actual Product Data Sheet. It is a clever way to sell oil that is a no-name brand from a box store. But hey, everything you read on someone's website is always true...right? Try going to Ford.
Still, I suppose you just don't like people with actual experience contrary to what you post.
I guess you'll say these people lie about what they sell as well as Halfords, despite the laws here http://www.euro-oils.com/lubricants/...gine-oil-slcf/
Likewise these are also wrong? http://www.exportize.co.uk/wp-conten...etic-5W-30.pdf
Or http://www.revolutionoil.co.uk/techn...0131127-32.pdf
Last edited by JagV8; 04-13-2016 at 01:20 PM.
#57
I see you ignored the part where I pointed out I HAVE used the kinds you allege did not exist.
Still, I suppose you just don't like people with actual experience contrary to what you post.
I guess you'll say these people lie about what they sell as well as Halfords, despite the laws here 5W/30 Semi-Synthetic Engine Oil SL/CF | Euro Oils Sapphire Semi Synthetic Oils
Likewise these are also wrong? http://www.exportize.co.uk/wp-conten...etic-5W-30.pdf
Or http://www.revolutionoil.co.uk/techn...0131127-32.pdf
Still, I suppose you just don't like people with actual experience contrary to what you post.
I guess you'll say these people lie about what they sell as well as Halfords, despite the laws here 5W/30 Semi-Synthetic Engine Oil SL/CF | Euro Oils Sapphire Semi Synthetic Oils
Likewise these are also wrong? http://www.exportize.co.uk/wp-conten...etic-5W-30.pdf
Or http://www.revolutionoil.co.uk/techn...0131127-32.pdf
Ford 5w30 WSS-M2C 913-B Car Engine Oil
#59
Try again. The really sad part here Mikey, is that Jaguar recommends using the latest technologies in oils for their engine for numerous reason, and have been since they have been on the market and available to that market area. To discount Jaguar's own position, in a bias against synthetics, and then say it doesn't affect engine life, is absurd.
Again- If Jag issues a spec in 2016 and states that it affects all vehicles but DOES NOT issue any bulletin stating that it is retroactive- then it isn't. The spec. in force at the time the vehicle was manufactured prevails.
That's how the industry works. You should know that- if you indeed worked in it.
There are many verifiable stories of lubricants (engine oil/ZDDP levels, GL4 and GL5 diff and trans lubricants, etc.) shown NOT to be backwards compatible.
There's no stories that I can find where the use of today's oils being any better (field results) than what was available when the car was manufactured.
That says something.
#60
There's nothing sad here. I'd honestly appreciate you or anyone coming up with some evidence that these oils due indeed affect engine life. All I do read is lots of theory and assumption, but never any credible field results. It's been that way for the 4 decades I've been poking my nose in on the subject.
Again- If Jag issues a spec in 2016 and states that it affects all vehicles but DOES NOT issue any bulletin stating that it is retroactive- then it isn't. The spec. in force at the time the vehicle was manufactured prevails.
That's how the industry works. You should know that- if you indeed worked in it.
There are many verifiable stories of lubricants (engine oil/ZDDP levels, GL4 and GL5 diff and trans lubricants, etc.) shown NOT to be backwards compatible.
There's no stories that I can find where the use of today's oils being any better (field results) than what was available when the car was manufactured.
That says something.
Again- If Jag issues a spec in 2016 and states that it affects all vehicles but DOES NOT issue any bulletin stating that it is retroactive- then it isn't. The spec. in force at the time the vehicle was manufactured prevails.
That's how the industry works. You should know that- if you indeed worked in it.
There are many verifiable stories of lubricants (engine oil/ZDDP levels, GL4 and GL5 diff and trans lubricants, etc.) shown NOT to be backwards compatible.
There's no stories that I can find where the use of today's oils being any better (field results) than what was available when the car was manufactured.
That says something.