Help! Windows won't operate at all
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Joe Gandalf (06-21-2016)
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From my fob 2 seconds of lock and release the button and all closes compleatly !
2 seconds of unlock and release the button and all opens compleatly , I can stop the close or open via another press of the button .
But as for the center consol door lock button , when I unpress the button at any point the windows and roof will stop right at the point of were you let off the button .
Have never tried the door lock barrel.
2 seconds of unlock and release the button and all opens compleatly , I can stop the close or open via another press of the button .
But as for the center consol door lock button , when I unpress the button at any point the windows and roof will stop right at the point of were you let off the button .
Have never tried the door lock barrel.
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Joe Gandalf (06-21-2016)
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Well, sorry about the delay in replying; I have ignored my gmail account for a couple of weeks (I normally reserve it as a spam-filter, but not in this case).
Well, on the Tuesday after my last post we were ready to take it in to a Jaguar specialist that was recommended to me by the guys at Jaguar South (they source parts for every Jag, but only repair the much older models). Stripped the tarp off of the car, and, just on a whim, I turned on the key & tried the windows.
Hey, presto! they all worked. I closed them all and decided that - for the short term - windows that won't open are less of a problem than windows that won't close. I spent my working life troubleshooting electronics, so I know how futile it is to look for a problem that is intermittent in nature. The next time it becomes an issue, I will immediately take it in for repair. (Besides, the shop is a full hour away, which means a total of four hours of travel time for both of us. We are busy with various projects at home right now, so...) I did try wiggling the door loom quite extensively - with no luck. I tried various strategies daily over a period of about a full week, so why it decided to start working on the day it was going in, I can only blame on the perversities of the universe.
Anyway, that is the saga so far. I want to extend my sincere thanks to all who took the time to offer help.
Now if only I could find a good local Fiero group...
(the SC group seems to have vanished into the aether.)
Well, on the Tuesday after my last post we were ready to take it in to a Jaguar specialist that was recommended to me by the guys at Jaguar South (they source parts for every Jag, but only repair the much older models). Stripped the tarp off of the car, and, just on a whim, I turned on the key & tried the windows.
Hey, presto! they all worked. I closed them all and decided that - for the short term - windows that won't open are less of a problem than windows that won't close. I spent my working life troubleshooting electronics, so I know how futile it is to look for a problem that is intermittent in nature. The next time it becomes an issue, I will immediately take it in for repair. (Besides, the shop is a full hour away, which means a total of four hours of travel time for both of us. We are busy with various projects at home right now, so...) I did try wiggling the door loom quite extensively - with no luck. I tried various strategies daily over a period of about a full week, so why it decided to start working on the day it was going in, I can only blame on the perversities of the universe.
Anyway, that is the saga so far. I want to extend my sincere thanks to all who took the time to offer help.
Now if only I could find a good local Fiero group...
(the SC group seems to have vanished into the aether.)
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Joe, I have exactly the same problem as you. All my windows are stuck down after a GC..Cant get them back up. Have you managed to resolve anything further?
I have noticed that over the last couple of weeks pressing the window switch has had little effect on the front two windows and hit and miss on the back windows. I can tell there is power getting to the rear motors as I can hear a noise in the rear doors but only when I press the switch in the down position, pressing up wont lift. Nothing seems to be happening in the front doors.
I did try GC last time one of the windows wouldnt go back up and it did work in lifting all the windows. This time it did not, nothing is moving in the up position. I have just washed the car so I wonder if moisture may be an issue somewhere?
Keen to see how you may have got on. My battery is quite new.
Very frustrating..
I have noticed that over the last couple of weeks pressing the window switch has had little effect on the front two windows and hit and miss on the back windows. I can tell there is power getting to the rear motors as I can hear a noise in the rear doors but only when I press the switch in the down position, pressing up wont lift. Nothing seems to be happening in the front doors.
I did try GC last time one of the windows wouldnt go back up and it did work in lifting all the windows. This time it did not, nothing is moving in the up position. I have just washed the car so I wonder if moisture may be an issue somewhere?
Keen to see how you may have got on. My battery is quite new.
Very frustrating..
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jya, Joe last updated a year and a half ago. It would appear his wife's a/c is still working and he's been somehow successful in persuading her not to ever ease down a window, again. (how does one keep a wife out of the fast-food drive-thru's?!?)
Here's where you may likely end up, though if your rear window motors are running, you have a different problem: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s...2/#post1473671
Here's where you may likely end up, though if your rear window motors are running, you have a different problem: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s...2/#post1473671
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Yes I did notice that his last post was some time ago aholbro1!! My kids and wife would go bonkers having to open the door through the fast food drive throughs!
In frustration I did remove the window switch, pull it apart, clean everything and re-grease it up. Whilst apart I did notice 4-5 ants between the rubber and the circuit board! Crumbs the kids leave behind in the back seat, however no idea what TF they were doing on the board under the window switches..Tried to press the switches up straight after reinstalling but nothing moved. Waited a couple of seconds, powered the window switches down and then straight up again (one by one) and they all decided to go up!! Since I got them all up I have been reluctant to try and see if things are back to normal and I can blame the ants.. Will keep you posted.
In frustration I did remove the window switch, pull it apart, clean everything and re-grease it up. Whilst apart I did notice 4-5 ants between the rubber and the circuit board! Crumbs the kids leave behind in the back seat, however no idea what TF they were doing on the board under the window switches..Tried to press the switches up straight after reinstalling but nothing moved. Waited a couple of seconds, powered the window switches down and then straight up again (one by one) and they all decided to go up!! Since I got them all up I have been reluctant to try and see if things are back to normal and I can blame the ants.. Will keep you posted.
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hi
I have had it before where the window motor loses its enable signal
each window motor has 2 separate 12 volt feeds, a ignition feed and a enable feed
so when you checking at the motor there should be 2 12v feeds at the motor
the enable feed come from the drivers door module
Ive had this when the enable wire has broken in the door shut
so if you window goes up and down with the remote or door switch via global opening or shutting, then you have most probably lost the enable signal
also worth mentioning, if you disconnect the battery, the window that is faulty wont go up any more on global opening, because it loses its taught closed position, one touch function
also the windows motors can be tested and run on the bench, by putting the earth on, both 12v feeds and then putting a earth on either up or down to drive the motor
cheers
Joe
I have had it before where the window motor loses its enable signal
each window motor has 2 separate 12 volt feeds, a ignition feed and a enable feed
so when you checking at the motor there should be 2 12v feeds at the motor
the enable feed come from the drivers door module
Ive had this when the enable wire has broken in the door shut
so if you window goes up and down with the remote or door switch via global opening or shutting, then you have most probably lost the enable signal
also worth mentioning, if you disconnect the battery, the window that is faulty wont go up any more on global opening, because it loses its taught closed position, one touch function
also the windows motors can be tested and run on the bench, by putting the earth on, both 12v feeds and then putting a earth on either up or down to drive the motor
cheers
Joe
Last edited by Joedotcom; 02-25-2018 at 05:55 AM.
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After pulling apart and cleaning out the drivers door window switch assembly not much change to the window operating problem..I did a visual on the several looms that attach to the door as well as tug on the 'body to door' loom whilst holding the removed door trim and operating the window switches at the same time but windows wont move.
Whilst switch assembly was apart I greased up the switches and killed many ants crawling on the board which would not have helped.
The 2 front window switches started to fail at first - sometimes powered windows up and down and sometimes not, a few times I had to repeatedly keep pressing the switch to fully raise- now all switches have failed on the drivers door. Curiously the only thing the drivers switch will do is -power down/lower only- the RHS rear (passenger) window but wont raise it. On the other 3 doors each individual door switch however does power its respective window. There is obviously power to the drivers window door switch as both mirrors are fully operational as well as fold in.
Whilst checking all the fuses I noticed a blown 10A in the boot fuse box, second row 5th from the right - photo attached which shows it missing. I havent looked up what its for yet. Did replace it but no change.
Nothing obvious on the drivers door module but I am curious what the sticker on the module box means by 'This is a programmable part'?
I will try a new switch first and see how I go and then may have to move on to having the module checked.
Whilst switch assembly was apart I greased up the switches and killed many ants crawling on the board which would not have helped.
The 2 front window switches started to fail at first - sometimes powered windows up and down and sometimes not, a few times I had to repeatedly keep pressing the switch to fully raise- now all switches have failed on the drivers door. Curiously the only thing the drivers switch will do is -power down/lower only- the RHS rear (passenger) window but wont raise it. On the other 3 doors each individual door switch however does power its respective window. There is obviously power to the drivers window door switch as both mirrors are fully operational as well as fold in.
Whilst checking all the fuses I noticed a blown 10A in the boot fuse box, second row 5th from the right - photo attached which shows it missing. I havent looked up what its for yet. Did replace it but no change.
Nothing obvious on the drivers door module but I am curious what the sticker on the module box means by 'This is a programmable part'?
I will try a new switch first and see how I go and then may have to move on to having the module checked.
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