I need a bit of advice.
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I need a bit of advice.
Hello fellow Jag enthusiasts.
I've owned my '01 Stype 4.0 for almost 3 years now. It has just over 85,000 mi on it. It has been an absolute pleasure to drive. Very clean and pretty. No major mechanical issues until....
I take it on a cruise to the country to visit my family, about a 170mi one way. Drives great as usual, i run it around a couple time throughout the week. No problem. I set it in my Ma's garage as we were expecting hail storms. When I'm ready to jump in to drive back home, won't start. It's turning over but not starting.
Because I read this forum from time to time I've deducted that it's most likely a timing chain problem. Battery is brand new and it's turning over as I said, so the starter isn't the problem.
First question: how much can I expect to pay for a repair to the timing chain?
I don't possess the tools or expertise to do it myself so I had it towed to the closest Ford dealer (again location is rural, so no Jag dealer around). I very much hope there is no valve damage. I figure I'll be fleeced because I'm an out of towner at a dealership. I'll cough up the repair to the chain but if there is any valve damage, I can't justify that kind of money for a $5k car.
The concern I have is because of its low value if I were to sell it/trade it I cannot justify a $2000 repair. If I were to sell it in its current non running condition, what could I expect to get for it? I figure it might be worth 2k in parts and panels.
Again it's a beautiful car inside and out and it's been very dependable, I'll attach a photo.
Please share your thoughts
I've owned my '01 Stype 4.0 for almost 3 years now. It has just over 85,000 mi on it. It has been an absolute pleasure to drive. Very clean and pretty. No major mechanical issues until....
I take it on a cruise to the country to visit my family, about a 170mi one way. Drives great as usual, i run it around a couple time throughout the week. No problem. I set it in my Ma's garage as we were expecting hail storms. When I'm ready to jump in to drive back home, won't start. It's turning over but not starting.
Because I read this forum from time to time I've deducted that it's most likely a timing chain problem. Battery is brand new and it's turning over as I said, so the starter isn't the problem.
First question: how much can I expect to pay for a repair to the timing chain?
I don't possess the tools or expertise to do it myself so I had it towed to the closest Ford dealer (again location is rural, so no Jag dealer around). I very much hope there is no valve damage. I figure I'll be fleeced because I'm an out of towner at a dealership. I'll cough up the repair to the chain but if there is any valve damage, I can't justify that kind of money for a $5k car.
The concern I have is because of its low value if I were to sell it/trade it I cannot justify a $2000 repair. If I were to sell it in its current non running condition, what could I expect to get for it? I figure it might be worth 2k in parts and panels.
Again it's a beautiful car inside and out and it's been very dependable, I'll attach a photo.
Please share your thoughts
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Thanks all for your replies. I called my brother in law over to help with the checklist. Only fuse that was out was to the obd intake. We could hear all the components working (ie fuel pump, etc). I never have done the start stop and restart thing before I park. I've had a timing chain break on me before so I remember what that was like. I'm pretty certain that's the problem. Should hear back from the dealer today.
Would any of you pour 3-4k into a 5 thousand dollar car? Regardless of how nice it is and how much I love it, that doesn't make financial sense to me. I usually prepare myself for the worse case scenario. A timing chain is bad but doable. A valve job on this car is not. So I'm trying to get a feel for how much I can expect to get for it in it's current condition.
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Would any of you pour 3-4k into a 5 thousand dollar car? Regardless of how nice it is and how much I love it, that doesn't make financial sense to me. I usually prepare myself for the worse case scenario. A timing chain is bad but doable. A valve job on this car is not. So I'm trying to get a feel for how much I can expect to get for it in it's current condition.
Thanks
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Perhaps your values are higher in the Chicago area but here in my neck of the woods your car would be worth closer to $4,000. And no, I would not pour three to four grand into fixing it....
As others have said, I would not suspect a timing chain breakage. A fuel-related issue still makes more sense to me....
As others have said, I would not suspect a timing chain breakage. A fuel-related issue still makes more sense to me....
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Thanks bro
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Thanks for your reply
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Umm, if it is turning over I don't think it would be a timing chain issue. More likely spark or fuel.
Suggest reverting to the old shade-tree approach of getting a can of spray starter fluid from your local FLAPS (favorite local auto parts store) and try spraying into the intake while cranking the motor. If the engine is getting spark it should fire and run roughly for a bit (Fuel problem)
Also, can you remove a spark plug and see if it is wet (Spark problem)?
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Suggest reverting to the old shade-tree approach of getting a can of spray starter fluid from your local FLAPS (favorite local auto parts store) and try spraying into the intake while cranking the motor. If the engine is getting spark it should fire and run roughly for a bit (Fuel problem)
Also, can you remove a spark plug and see if it is wet (Spark problem)?
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If your chain jumps a tooth, It will still turn over. Some cars will even run depending on how many teeth have jumped. Won't run nice though.
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>If your chain jumps a tooth
I thought that when the chain tensioners in the 4.0 engines failed then piston met valve. But if, in some cases, the engine only lost cam timing, then you're probably correct.
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I thought that when the chain tensioners in the 4.0 engines failed then piston met valve. But if, in some cases, the engine only lost cam timing, then you're probably correct.
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Wow, you guys are absolutely amazing. I just gotta say this forum is invaluable.
Ford service manager gets back and confirms no compression "on right side". He hasn't dug into the car yet but that I might have to replace the engine. I tell him that any expensive work like that is out of the question I ask him about timing chain then bore wash. As a few of you said, the guy had no clue about the bore wash. I told him to google it or just come here. He's at a computer and he finds it. The tech he trusts the most was busy today and off tomorrow. So I got some time to push the quick fixes before the holiday. Tech isn't back til Tues so no expensive work takes place until he's there. He quotes me $400 if they have to dig in to the motor. I'm working over the holiday so I'm out there again Tue to tie this up.
Don't know if I'd ever buy another one of these again, but the fact this forum and you guys are here makes that decision a lot easier.
You guys rule
Thank you so very much
Ford service manager gets back and confirms no compression "on right side". He hasn't dug into the car yet but that I might have to replace the engine. I tell him that any expensive work like that is out of the question I ask him about timing chain then bore wash. As a few of you said, the guy had no clue about the bore wash. I told him to google it or just come here. He's at a computer and he finds it. The tech he trusts the most was busy today and off tomorrow. So I got some time to push the quick fixes before the holiday. Tech isn't back til Tues so no expensive work takes place until he's there. He quotes me $400 if they have to dig in to the motor. I'm working over the holiday so I'm out there again Tue to tie this up.
Don't know if I'd ever buy another one of these again, but the fact this forum and you guys are here makes that decision a lot easier.
You guys rule
Thank you so very much