Hi all,
If you have those multiple piece lug nuts, get rid of them....they are a pain to deal with. I finally was able to get my tires installed from Costco after making two trips only to find out on my first trip, the lug nuts where swollen and they couldn't torque them. I bought these from British Parts Place on eBay...They look awesome and will look good after I send my wheels to CalCrome to get them black chromed. Be sure if you put new tires on, to get them nitrogen filled.

 

Er... this is a very well known issue. There are even recommendations on the ones to get instead and why...

 

Not to mention dismissing the 'benefits' of nitrogen fill. Bad science.

 

Yep.

Nitrogen in jetliner tires = beneficial and worth the cost....

Nitrogen in automobile tires = essentially the same as regular atmospheric air and not worth the cost....

When to use nitrogen? If it makes you "feel better" about your tires. No other valid benefit has been substantiated to date....

 

Nitrogen didn't cost me any extra, it was included with the lifetime balancing, rotation, road hazard, lifetime flat repair, Costco standard price per tire is one time fee of $14 per tire. They provide the nitrogen as a free service, Just out of the cost of a membership card just like Sam's Club but I purchase in bulk since I have a large family so the savings out weigh the cost of the card. Thanks though for everyones comments and opinions do matter

 

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I have done some research, don't know if there really are good benefits to it but my Odyssey also came from the dealership with n2 in the wheels and the manufacture only warranties the vehicle with n2 in the wheels.....So the Debate is up, Is it beneficial or not....Its always your choice and everyone opinions do matter whether they are for n2 or against.

 

Nitrogen in tires has been thrashed to death on this and every vehicle-related discussion board many, many times.

Each and everyone of the 'benefits' has been shown to be bad science (different size molecules that affects leakage rates) or of no consequence to earthbound vehicles (why aircraft need it and cars don't) or just plain snake oil marketing (better mileage).

If you're not paying for it, there's no harm done but many people get swindled into paying $5-$10 per tire extra.

This is posted at my local tire store



I asked the service rep to explain how using nitrogen 'helped the environment' in accordance with the poster- he didn't have a clue, in more than just one way.


I believe you are mistaken regarding Honda or any OEM requiring nitrogen in the tires to maintain warranty

 

Here's what Honda officially had to say about nitrogen:

Nitrogen Inflation: What’s Our Position?

Surf any automobile tire-related website these
days, and you’ll likely see something mentioned
about nitrogen inflation. It’s becoming a hot topic.
We’ve gotten a number of inquiries lately
concerning American Honda’s position on this
practice.
When it comes to inflating automobile tires, it’s
our position that ordinary, dry compressed air—
which is about 80 percent nitrogen already—is
the best choice. That’s because it’s more readily
available, and the benefits of using nitrogen
simply don’t appear to outweigh those of using
compressed air.
The practice of inflating tires with nitrogen really
isn’t anything new; it’s been around a long time.
It’s been commonly used on aerospace vehicles,
commercial and military aircraft, military vehicles,
race cars, and even heavy off-road construction
equipment. Here’s why:

• To meet rigid safety and performance specs,
the required tire inflation pressures are often
very high, especially in the aerospace industry.
The tire inflation pressure for NASA’s space
shuttle, for instance, is a whopping 315 psi!
• Nitrogen is an inert gas; it doesn’t combust or
oxidize.
• The process used to compress nitrogen
excludes water vapor. Water vapor can expand
if the temperature climbs above 212°F.
• Tires inflated with nitrogen leak slower over
time than those inflated with compressed air.
Automobile tires, on the other hand, are subjected
to an entirely different set of conditions. Here’s
why inflating tires with nitrogen offers no real
advantages:
• Although tires inflated with nitrogen leak
slower over time than those inflated with
compressed air, they still leak and need to be
reinflated to maintain proper pressure. If you
can’t find a place that offers nitrogen
inflation—and there aren’t yet all that many
places that do—your only option left is to
reinflate with compressed air. Doing that
drops the nitrogen purity.
• Nitrogen offers no better protection against
road hazards such as cuts and punctures. So
no matter what you inflate the tire with, you
still need to check the condition and pressure
of the tires at least once a month as
recommended in the O/M.
• Tires that are inflated with compressed air and
properly maintained offer the same fuel
economy, tread wear, and ride comfort as
those inflated with nitrogen.
• Nitrogen for automobile tires is produced by
nitrogen generators, which typically get about
95 percent purity. But to actually get that
level of purity into an automobile tire, you
would have to deflate and inflate that tire with
nitrogen several times. If you’re not careful
doing this repeated deflation and inflation
process, the purity level winds up being closer
to 90 percent (compared to the approximate
80 percent nitrogen already in compressed
air). Because of this, those claims of less
pressure loss with nitrogen aren’t valid.

If your Odyssey came from the dealer with nitrogen, its because the dealer put it in there, not Honda. The only thing that matters is keeping your tires properly inflated; as nitrogen offers no benefit over "regular" air if they are both inflated to the correct pressure.

 

The Honda dealership only had my van 1 hr. I was there when it was delivered..took 6 months to get the touring elite. It did came from the manufacture with n2, I inspected it and saw the bright green n2 caps after it was unloaded. That when I asked where do I get that type of air at. It was also printed in the window tag that came on the vehicle. I am sure that not all Hondas come with N2 but mine did. So I have first hand knowledge that the dealership didn't put the n2 in. Now its very possible that I may be wrong about the warranty...I am just going from what the dealership told me and kind of think about it, they do charge for n2. Good tactic to get you to buy air from them.

 

The only way I see that nitrogen helps the environment is if it actually saves you in fuel consumption which relates in less drilling...but we all consume more fuel now with growing population and developing countries such as China and India demanding more fuel for their growth. So much for the environmental theory, the only way to be totally green is to have a solar power electric car....charging your car at home still requires coal and oil to charge it since that is the typical fuel source for most electric companies unless your home is totally off the grid.

 

Does your Odyssey have PAX system runflat tires? Its possible that Honda does put nitrogen in now (whether it be for image or appeal or any other reason); the TSB I found about their stance on nitrogen is a few years old, but the info seems to still apply.

 

The premise they use is comparing a car with air filled tires running around at severely under inflated pressure vs. a car with nitrogen at proper pressure.

Given that the reduced rate of loss with nitrogen is not true, and that we should all check tire pressures regularly if the car is not equipped with a tire pressure warning system, the probability of 10% loss of fuel economy due to low tire pressure is a real stretch.

Even if true- the energy consumed by the nitrogen manufacturing machine is considerable, not to mention the energy required to manufacture the machine, transport it, etc, etc.

 

Back to the subject of lug nuts! I noticed a few of mine are swollen as well. So annoying.... I have tried searching for one piece lug nuts and not having much luck. Where do you guys recommend I look? Where do the majority of you guys buy them from?

 

I use helium in my tires to help offset the heavy weight of the car

 

Here is an earlier thread on the same subject:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93257

I've switched to the Dorman lug nuts and am very happy with them. Others have gone to the Chrysler/Mitsubishi version. Both part numbers are in that message. Remember, when you do switch, make sure you get a new lug wrench to match, as the hex is a different size.